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Talwar fleet counters

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munkythegimp Nakrar
Armilies Independent Operations
Domain Research and Mining Inst. Logistics
#1 - 2014-02-23 12:24:10 UTC
So ive been wondering if your numbers match the enemy's what is the best way to counter a light missile talwar fit ? ive read some of the other forums which suggest rail fit ships but I was wondering what else would be ideal for taking them out. thanks a lot
Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
#2 - 2014-02-23 12:49:53 UTC
Depending on numbers and situation RLML caracals can do the trick, if not rail moas or feroxes work just fine.
Andre Vauban
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-02-23 15:35:32 UTC
Rail Cormorants.

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Liam Inkuras
Furnace
Meta Reloaded
#4 - 2014-02-23 15:54:50 UTC
Rail Harpies

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#5 - 2014-02-23 17:57:55 UTC
1. Use a ship that has the same or greater range but has more dps*ehp.
2. Shoot outside their range.
3. If your ship can get hit by a Talwar fleet, then it's going to die unless you're chatgris. Then you can do pretty much anything you want and not die.
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#6 - 2014-02-23 18:40:50 UTC
I've heard that Amarrian Vengeance used retributions to great effect.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#7 - 2014-02-23 19:06:10 UTC
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
I've heard that Amarrian Vengeance used retributions to great effect.

Most likely because of the Amarr resists against Explosive. If the WTs had had another ammo type (thermal) it may have been a different story.
ALUCARD 1208
Naga's Be Trippin
#8 - 2014-02-23 20:37:45 UTC  |  Edited by: ALUCARD 1208
X Gallentius wrote:

3. If your ship can get hit by a Talwar fleet, then it's going to die unless you're chatgris. Then you can do pretty much anything you want and not die.



Curse those dev hacks

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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#9 - 2014-02-23 20:54:59 UTC
munkythegimp Nakrar
Armilies Independent Operations
Domain Research and Mining Inst. Logistics
#10 - 2014-02-23 22:30:19 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:
2 Talwar Fleets.

I was just telling my corp ceo that XD any more constructive suggestions ?
Veskrashen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-02-23 22:43:29 UTC
munkythegimp Nakrar wrote:
IbanezLaney wrote:
2 Talwar Fleets.

I was just telling my corp ceo that XD any more constructive suggestions ?


1. Damps.
2. Moar Damps.
3. Faster boats with equal / greater range.
4. Boats with longer range and instant damage application.

We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."
Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
#12 - 2014-02-23 23:50:43 UTC
Andre Vauban wrote:
Rail Cormorants.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#13 - 2014-02-24 00:46:15 UTC
munkythegimp Nakrar wrote:
IbanezLaney wrote:
2 Talwar Fleets.

I was just telling my corp ceo that XD any more constructive suggestions ?



Yeah np.

If you really wanna make sure you have a good counter - Try 3 Talwar fleets.

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Jill Chastot
WE FORM BL0B Inc.
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2014-02-24 01:11:01 UTC
With Cyno to bridge in a 4th just to be safe

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=298596&find=unread OATHS wants you. Come to the WH "Safety in eve is the greatest fallacy you will ever encounter. Once you accept this you will truely enjoy this game."
munkythegimp Nakrar
Armilies Independent Operations
Domain Research and Mining Inst. Logistics
#15 - 2014-02-24 01:26:26 UTC
typical eve community helpful at first then good and trollsome
Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#16 - 2014-02-24 04:59:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Flyinghotpocket
use vengeances and retributions. purely. and you will defeat any talwar fleet outnumbered

X Gallentius wrote:
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
I've heard that Amarrian Vengeance used retributions to great effect.

Most likely because of the Amarr resists against Explosive. If the WTs had had another ammo type (thermal) it may have been a different story.



our enemys soon found out we all had 2 a-type explo fitted assault ships. and quickly docked in rens and got thermal missiles as your prophisized however we just refit to omni tank and still did just fine. no losses

Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro
Gh0stBust3rs
Project.Nova
The Initiative.
#17 - 2014-02-24 06:38:35 UTC
Long story short CFC had great sucess murdering Talwar fleets with Harpy Fleets.

Engaging a talwar fleet with something cruiser sized is generally going to be suicide. (a 70 man talwar fleet can 2 shot a caracal 20k ehp @ 50km.)


Basically though any instant dps doctrine can slaughter them. Tanks are meh.

T2 Assualt ships are the go to though due to resists sig tanking and the decent buffer you can get on one. Downside being losing 2-3 assault ships generally means you lose the isk battle.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#18 - 2014-02-24 10:45:28 UTC
Gh0stBust3rs wrote:
Long story short CFC had great sucess murdering Talwar fleets with Harpy Fleets.

Engaging a talwar fleet with something cruiser sized is generally going to be suicide. (a 70 man talwar fleet can 2 shot a caracal 20k ehp @ 50km.)


Basically though any instant dps doctrine can slaughter them. Tanks are meh.

T2 Assualt ships are the go to though due to resists sig tanking and the decent buffer you can get on one. Downside being losing 2-3 assault ships generally means you lose the isk battle.


who flies 20k ehp caracals?
Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
#19 - 2014-02-24 15:31:06 UTC
+1 for sniper corms.

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Micky Nox
Decadent Court
#20 - 2014-02-24 17:00:50 UTC
If you have same numbers and ok about taking losses - rail corms or harpies. It takes time for missiles to hit target, so staying aligned and warping off once primaried may save few ships. Damps can help to mitigate some damage (think maulus).

Other option - bring talwars and be better at target calling (use 2-3 groups of missiles and hit 2-3 targets at the same time).


Options we were considering for fighting 20-50 talwars without taking significant losses - RML cerbs, rail feroxes, rail eagles, beam/pulse zealots. You will need 2-3 target painters, long range webs and 3+ t2 logistic ships.

Talwar fleet is very cost effective doctrine because you can get enough alpha even out of 5 mil meta 3 fit. So don't expect to win ISK war if you field t2 fits or t2 ships.
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