Ships & Modules

I am trying to rank the top 5 ships according to The Highest DPS per ISK (including fitting, implants, command ships alts, and whatever else the ship requires to get its dps) against targets past 40 km range of targets of cruiser or larger signature radius and speed. This dps must be sustainable indefinitely without cap boosters. The purpose is to balance dps with cost where the ship may be easily lost. The typical application is for structure shoots where the risk of loss is high or ratting where the risk of loss to gankers in the area is high.

Special requirements: The ship must do at least 200 dps with level 5 skills and it must sell on the Jita market for no less than 1 mil ISK; no rookie ship with civilian guns submissions doing small dps with divide by zero ISK exploits on this thread. Also, at least 4 slots must be reserved in the medium or low slots for tank; don't want a useless dps ship submission that can't tank anything.

Officer fits will be out because the "per ISK" part throws expensive ships to the bottom of the list. 40 km optimal ships give great versatility in engaging multiple, spread-out hostiles. Battleships yield higher dps, but their higher cost offsets that dps.

Part of my query is in discovering the best way to determine this list. There must be a better way than using the slow EFT level V fitting of each ship. Please share your methods for making the evaluation.

Probably the Vexor.

Offer something in return for the best fit, else I don't think you'll get many responses.

What you're looking for is the highest DPS platform mounted on the cheapest hull that can mount it?


40 km Gankfits are generally Nado's

Submissions? Lol.

It is probably Vexor. 250mm's and bouncers give it roughly 590 dps@40k for around 30M price. Though applying that dps might be problematic due to tracking problems.

[Vexor, 40k]
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Co-Processor II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I

250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Thorium Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Thorium Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Thorium Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Thorium Charge M

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Medium Hybrid Locus Coordinator I

Bouncer II x3


You could go with 250mm thorax @ bouncers and have around 450dps@40k. But most of it will be your tracking bonused guns, which will have better chance of hitting cruiser sized targets.

[Thorax, 40k]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Reactor Control Unit II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Uranium Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Uranium Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Uranium Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Uranium Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Uranium Charge M

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Hybrid Locus Coordinator I

Bouncer II x2

Or you could with HAM caracal, which deals around 400dps @40km and little trouble applying all of it to cruiser targets. Though you'll struggle vs frigs and such andyour dps will be delayed.

[Caracal, 40k]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I
Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I

Odithia, I was looking at the Vexor with 3 DCA and 4x 200mm for 448 dps at a price of probably around 20 mil; DCU and then not sure what to do with the 5th low slot. The idea of a co-processor and then 250s was floated for 590 dps with a possible tracking issue. I am seeing a difference of about 6 dps at 40 km between a 200 mm and a 250 mm gun (not sure what the tracking looks like) with all 4 guns forming about 80 dps of the 460 dps that I see.

Brutix and Ferox, as BC would be expected to be low on dps but I'll check them out. 52 mil Ferox puts 307 dps at 44 km optimal for 169k ISK/dps.

T3 BC like the Tornado seem interesting at around 71 mil ISK, but with the BS guns I would expect difficulty with cruiser size targets. Still, I'll look at it, too. RavenPaine, do you think that non-MWD cruiser targets can be tracked well at 40km in a Tornado?

The 71m ISK Tornado puts out 575 dps at 39 km optimal with 1400 mm Howitzers. Seems to track at 40 km if velocity is matched against target. 123k ISK/dps

75 mil Naga reveals extended optimal to 64 km for 646 dps using 425 mm Rails. 116k ISK/ dps

I expect the HACs Eagle and Ishtar to run around 185-200 mil, which makes it hard to justify the extra ISK risked for the dps gained. I expect the Talos/Oracle to run about 85 mil.

The HAM caracal is limited to 35 km with only 324 dps. The HM caracal is around 212 dps.

So the Cormorant competes with the Caracal at 204 dps. I guess destroyers can push dps, but using Caldari Navy ammo pushes the cost up. 575 ISK per we are looking at 7 and 2.5s fire rate to cost 1.6k per second (97k per minute) which isn't that bad actually. 19.3k ISK/dps is pretty good even though the dps is only 204 at least it should track smaller stuff better than cruisers.

I guess there is always the stealth bomber like the 33 mil Manticore at 259 dps to 60+ km, but only 164-206 against cruiser targets so around 165k ISK/dps (200 average dps).

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

To everyone else, it seems that the only real way of evaluating this issue is to hear what people think by experience is good and try it in EFT. I wish there was an easier and more automated way to evaluate the issue. It seems that for the dps/ISK that the sweet spot is either T1 cruisers or T3 BC (maybe).

Measuring ship performance by dps/isk is qustionable at best.

Even the OP got presented with the cormorant fit which far outranks all other posted fits on this metric and it meant nothing in the OPs analysis.

Conclusion: Thread based on faulty metric, gaining of insight unlikely. This is now a post cat pictures thread.

Cute Kitten

*Snip* Removed reply to an edited out part of the quoted post. ISD Ezwal.

And again, you simply cant reduce a fitting to dps vs isk. 200 DPS is nothing. Most Assault Frigates sould tank this forever. 40km Range also is not even remotely the stuff you wanna go for in PvP Situations since most cruiser simply negate your tracking by close range orbit.

You wanna grind structures with a Cormorat? Realy? This would literaly take days.

You wanna hunt NPC in a Cormorat? Do you realize that all the NPC that might actually give you relevant bounty will more likely be to die of laughter than your 200 DPS?



Please give us one theoratical situation for one of these throw away ships so we can see, what you realy need. Because I can tell you right away, that a low isk cormorat is not the "best" option.


EDIT: I criticize the question because I think this is the best help I can give you instead of giving you modified destroyer or cruiser fitts. You question simply is wrong or not detailed enough.

So now we are from "40km + 200 DPS + 4 Med" to freakin Capitalsupport with Supercapitals? O.o

Dude...


EDIT: In that case back to step one, Fly whatever your FC wants you to fly.

EDIT TWO: Or better jet, when you wanna field Supers but cannot afford to loose T1 ships... Dont field Suppers.