EVE General Discussion

the problem is that it fails to achieve exactly that.

Most good low sec moons are taken by Large Alliances
They drop supercap blobs on people all the time.

I guess that would just "expand" highsec from a sirtain point of view. I mean the gate campers in low will just move to the next system and setup camp there.

imho what scares people is the unknown. First time i went into low id heard stories about how fast id loose my ship and what not. fact were I did not meet a gatecamp in lowsec until my 7th entry I was in a nano frig and they did not even get a lock. started to make me relax more. after my first visit to null and seeing how effective bubbles were. lowsec hardly ever brings out a sweat.

as mentioned if you want to move stuff in low use a covops cloakie if you wanna be safe. they are extremely hard to catch without a bubble. so imho lowsec have the reputation it has cause of lack of knowledge about what they acually can do to you there if you plan your steps right.

Dont do stupid things like taking a bulky slow 30 sec alligning ship to a 10 man gatecamp :)

And there we go with the attitude problem I alluded to.

I *know* all those tricks. Do newbies and a large potion of high seccers know them? No, they probably don't, and it's them that need to be encouraged to go into low sec to populate it.


Also, let's break that list down when applied to the carebear PVE missioners that are needed to populate lowsec:


Cloak modules on all but cov-ops have a sizable disadvantage, they're also pretty much never used on PVE fits. Might as well stay in high sec and use a more effective fit.


Again, PVP ships for PVE players. Who'd use an inty or AF for level 4's except for lulz and the challenge? Most carebears won't.


True I'll concede it's a viable option, but if you don't PVP/Corp with PVPers or experienced players/read the forums, you probably don't know about it.


Lots of PVE carebears run only one account. Having to use a scout is too much effort for lots of them if they even know they could.
If you're going to low-sec for missions/PVE and you need to get to a specific system, lots of the time those "other connections" simply don't exist.


Do you see what I'm getting at?

The current mechanics do not encourage carebears to go to low/null. Sure, there's ways around it, but they're often at odds with what the carebears want/need.

This, I reckon. Fun vanishes when cynos pop.

Have you been in low sec recently? Lowsec is full of fail 0.0 alliances, with large blobs, and tugging themselves with their super cap toys...PL for example!

Lowsec should be like the Caribbean seas of the Pirate age.

But the pirates of EvE didn't act like the pirates of RL.

Did the pirates of RL history shoot and sink EVERYTHING that moved until everybody got the hint and avoided the region? Did they camp the harbors shutting down all trade and commerce and hence making the island colonies ghost towns?

They didn't. And so the Caribbean was a hotspot of riches, trade, commerce, and ... profit? In order to have targets - for the pirates that would be merchant vessels plying trade routes, governors daughters to kidnap and ransom, military ships to commandeer - you have to have commerce.

But if they shelled every port, sunk every ship down to even every native fishing boat and barge, and simply killed everybody, the Caribbean would have been what?

It would have been what lowsec is today: like the parking lot outside of the mall in the movie "Dawn of the Dead". Nothing but "zombies" if after starving to death the pirates managed to keep moving - waiting for one speck of life to show up and swarm it.

Let's face it, the gankers, griefers, campers, and other such sociopaths have WON lowsec. CCP should send them little awards for their effort. When you kill everything that moves, there is little that moves. I used to mission in low as a noob because I was not a worthy target and thus was left alone. Now it's a kill fest where people keep a Vent or IM channel open while playing BF3 of TF2 and when the call goes up - when a living person appears outside of that mall in our "Dawn of the Dead" parking lot - they log in and swarm it, camp it in station, etc.

They won lowsec, and are kings of all they survey. Which is not much.

I like this, because it focuses on a couple of things that bother me, like bombs and other things that are restricted to nul for whatever dumbazz reason. Moar sandbox please, I wanna nuke a lowsec gate camp, gd it!

I spent a lot of time encouraging newbies to try out lowsec while I was in E-Uni.

Anytime some newbie on the Uni Mumble server would ask "I'd like to do my PI in lowsec, does anyone have any suggestion?" Four or five people would then immediately pipe up: "Don't go to lowsec. You'll lose so many ships that you won't make any profit." "There are assholes in lowsec." "Pirates don't make it worth the effort." Etc. Etc. Etc.

I'd have to shout all the naysayers down and explain to the newbie that lowsec is pretty awesome and exciting. That I've made hundreds of Iteron III runs to pick up my materials and was only ever killed once. I'd then explain to them the MWD-Cloak trick, some other tips with bookmarks, and then hope that the carebear naysayers in the Uni didn't convince him to stay in highsec (which is what makes the Uni so bad at times, because it's an organization that puts ******* fear into people), and that I was able to convince the nubling to try lowsec.

In my opinion Low sec is a place to meet very cool people who want to shoot you. Since moving in lowsec a lot more i have had a blast, i gte very little done meeting people and chatting with them and being taught the ropes of PVP, what i will say is i reckon populating it with NPC haulers random aggressive empire patrols (ie if your not of that race your gonna get shot by em) and stuff to give more character to low sec, once your past the low sec entyrence it does tend to be somewhat dead. I kinda would like the wild west feel in the atmosphere.

This

If you are interested in null sec sov there is no reason to stop off in low sec first. There are plenty of null sec alliances who are looking for new players.