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FW farming.... It's getting REALLY lame.
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Veskrashen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#61 - 2014-02-24 16:56:15 UTC
Shadow Adanza wrote:
I don't like that the system rewards cowardice and that I have to spend time chasing stabbed cloaky alt after stabbed cloaky alt out of my home system. I have enough warp core stabs from loot to fit the entire warzone twice over. But it's a system we can't change ourselves, so why complain about it?


Park an alt of your own in the plex. They can't get any LP unless they push them out. If they're stabbed all to heck and back then they're within scram range, which means you can lock them down until your main gets there.

Seems like a pretty simple problem to solve to me.

We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."
Shadow Adanza
Gold Crest Salvage
#62 - 2014-02-24 17:28:32 UTC
Veskrashen wrote:
Shadow Adanza wrote:
I don't like that the system rewards cowardice and that I have to spend time chasing stabbed cloaky alt after stabbed cloaky alt out of my home system. I have enough warp core stabs from loot to fit the entire warzone twice over. But it's a system we can't change ourselves, so why complain about it?


Park an alt of your own in the plex. They can't get any LP unless they push them out. If they're stabbed all to heck and back then they're within scram range, which means you can lock them down until your main gets there.

Seems like a pretty simple problem to solve to me.

I have one and do that. Merely saying to Zarnak that I agree the system is broken but don't waste my breath on something that won't be fixed.

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#63 - 2014-02-24 20:08:23 UTC
See this quite often around our area (Nisuwa), easy to kill though as said. Warp in , cloak, they decloak, ram, dual scram and boom.


Veskrashen wrote:
Garric Shadowbane wrote:

What I am talking about is the BOT's... I will have to post a video on how the operate. They are 100% DSCAN oriented. if they see you within range. They will immediately cloak up.

But, all we do is bring an astero into the site and cloak up also... And you know what... They uncloak! What kind of normal player would uncloak after just seeing an astero come in and cloak himself? We then slowboat to it and dual scram them. Now its not just one person, its the 4 constant 2 week old gallente alts hitting my amarr system 23/7. (russian by ship name).


I haven't seen this in our part of the warzone (around the Eha / Vlillirier area), but if that's the case it's rather disturbing indeed. Have you petitioned them for botting? I'm sure that several folks would be interested in any video you could provide.

nom nom
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#64 - 2014-02-24 20:43:15 UTC
David Devant wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
What is really amusing about these threads is that Amarr and Minmatar seem to be getting on the same page that the system is not 'all right.' There are various threads started by either side asking for changes. According to Samurai Pizza Cats, Justified Chaos, and Bad Messenger though everything is hunky dory over on the Gallente/ Caldari war zone. Why is that?

More connections to nullsec spice things up?
Larger war zone dilutes the farmers/ Tier swings?


maybe we have different goals, i do not care much about fights in EVE, but bring stabbed cloacky frigate to my system and i might accept the challenge.


Says it all.

I am not interested in cool spaceship battles. However, give me the opportunity to do something mindless and dull for a longer period of time than some other internet auteur and I'm breaking out the Kleenex.

Change the record, it's cracked.


Why to fight when guy has farmed tonnes of isk and is prepared to fight ? Better to kill them before they have isk to buy anything !

Also many farmers never use their income in FW fights.

If i want some nice consensual fights i will play something else, it is not the thing in EVE.
Beardon
CRIME CRIME
#65 - 2014-02-24 20:43:30 UTC
I really don't see why everyone gets their panties in a bunch about farmers. I've been in the cal/gal WZ for a little over a year, and farmers really don't bother me. Chasing them can also be fun sometimes if you're really hurting for a fight, and there's a special feeling of elation catching a farmer off guard. Realistically after a few weeks in a given region any involoved pilot should know the main pipes, and the who's who of the fighting half of the militia (meaning the active corps / alliances on the opposing side). Farmers don't plex these pipes to often because of the high traffic. Fights aren't hard to get if you know where to look, and a quick background check on the pilots in local is sufficient to tell within reason if they'll fight. Got three fed union dudes in some backwater system no one ever goes to? Don't expect action. Zoe Fishpants in Oicx? There's a fight a brewing. If the pilot ends up being a cloaky farmer, whatever, just move along... it's like 30 ******* seconds out of your life.

Some might respond, "But Beardon, they be plexing my system!?" To this I answer, dplex your own damn home if you want to live there. FW isn't just fighting (though most I associate with want it to be), you gotta be willing to hit the grindstone too. If you don't want to deal with farmers plexing your home, go live in highsec, or somewhere equally humiliating . Easy peasy, lemon squeezy.
Rahelis
Doomheim
#66 - 2014-02-24 21:27:35 UTC
FW is broken - by CCP.

It would be wiser for CCP to give new players a bil a month in isk - because FW is on the brink of death. And that would save the farmer players time and bot effort.

Stupid to reward ppl for being in a plex - CCP could change high sec missions this way, no more rat shooting but simply staying in a mission plex. Or create such plexes in null sec - noone cares for null sec. There are hundreds of empty null systems with no activity. Only farmers live in null sec anyway.

We who care for FW have to address CCP to change the god damn FW system.

I would be best to ask someone who really plays the game and not some smartass dev - I often ask myself if the devs ever play their own game.

And it would be best to get all four militas at a round table - these are the guys playing the game and funding it.

If not only unsubbing may change CCPs mind - like the captain quaters stuff did - ppl unsubbed because of the stupidity.

LP and farming do not work together well. LPs should be rewarded for ememy ship kills, fw missions and system flipping.

Like a war.

Farming is for farmers, not fighters.



The amarr-minnie warzone is that boring that our guys activity is dropping - why log on when there is nothing to fight?
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#67 - 2014-02-24 22:12:07 UTC
So I have to ask why you can't get fights in Huola. Is it because the Minmatar totally dominate 13 out of the 24 hours of the day?
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#68 - 2014-02-24 22:52:50 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
So I have to ask why you can't get fights in Huola. Is it because the Minmatar totally dominate 13 out of the 24 hours of the day?

oh. you do get fights out of huola, and also out of lulm. Since those are the only two defended systems left ATM. The current fw mechanics do work, but only in 0.5% of the warzone. Not a very good coverage :)

huola has other problems since it is a very popular lowsec entry system. I avoided it the whole weekend since tidi was at 10% most of the time. (ironically, lulm was on the same node)

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#69 - 2014-02-24 22:57:32 UTC
Rahelis wrote:
FW is broken - by CCP.

It would be wiser for CCP to give new players a bil a month in isk - because FW is on the brink of death. And that would save the farmer players time and bot effort.

Stupid to reward ppl for being in a plex - CCP could change high sec missions this way, no more rat shooting but simply staying in a mission plex. Or create such plexes in null sec - noone cares for null sec. There are hundreds of empty null systems with no activity. Only farmers live in null sec anyway.

We who care for FW have to address CCP to change the god damn FW system.

I would be best to ask someone who really plays the game and not some smartass dev - I often ask myself if the devs ever play their own game.

And it would be best to get all four militas at a round table - these are the guys playing the game and funding it.

If not only unsubbing may change CCPs mind - like the captain quaters stuff did - ppl unsubbed because of the stupidity.

LP and farming do not work together well. LPs should be rewarded for ememy ship kills, fw missions and system flipping.

Like a war.

Farming is for farmers, not fighters.



The amarr-minnie warzone is that boring that our guys activity is dropping - why log on when there is nothing to fight?




And when dplexing did not involve a reward everyone and their mother cried about it and never did it...
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#70 - 2014-02-24 23:23:11 UTC
Bienator II wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
So I have to ask why you can't get fights in Huola. Is it because the Minmatar totally dominate 13 out of the 24 hours of the day?
oh. you do get fights out of huola, and also out of lulm. Since those are the only two defended systems left ATM. The current fw mechanics do work, but only in 0.5% of the warzone. Not a very good coverage :)
So you know how, and where to get fights. What's the problem?
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#71 - 2014-02-25 00:03:00 UTC

Potential idea: Tier FW payouts based on pilots on grid.

Example: Base payout for a Novice plex.
1 Ship, 500 LP, +/- 5 Victory Points.
2 Ships, 1200 LP, +/- 10 Victory Points.
3 Ships, 2500 LP, +/- 15 Victory Points.
4 Ships, 3600 LP, +/- 20 Victory Points.
5+ Ships, 5000 LP, +/- 25 Victory Points.

A bonus: The LP Payouts for FW ship kills are doubled when destroyed inside the Plex.

X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#72 - 2014-02-25 00:48:35 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

Potential idea: Tier FW payouts based on pilots on grid.

Example: Base payout for a Novice plex.
1 Ship, 500 LP, +/- 5 Victory Points.
2 Ships, 1200 LP, +/- 10 Victory Points.
3 Ships, 2500 LP, +/- 15 Victory Points.
4 Ships, 3600 LP, +/- 20 Victory Points.
5+ Ships, 5000 LP, +/- 25 Victory Points.

A bonus: The LP Payouts for FW ship kills are doubled when destroyed inside the Plex.


It really comes down to implementing things that adversely affect pvp'ers less than the farmers. Timer Rollbacks/Dual Timers, making rats more difficult, removing ability to fit stabs/cloaks in plexes, yada yada yada.

One solution CCP has given us is the Astero/Stratios, and it's up to us to use it.

Also, the only time where the afk plexing armies did NOT affect FW too adversely was when there were multiple waves of many rats, and we were required to kill them all for the timer to be activated.

Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#73 - 2014-02-25 01:19:02 UTC
you guys do not just get it, CCP pays lp for those guys who are potential targets in fw plexes.

if CCP should nerf something in FW it is FW missions, those are pure farming and do not contribute anything to system occupancy.
Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#74 - 2014-02-25 01:25:19 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

Potential idea: Tier FW payouts based on pilots on grid.

Example: Base payout for a Novice plex.
1 Ship, 500 LP, +/- 5 Victory Points.
2 Ships, 1200 LP, +/- 10 Victory Points.
3 Ships, 2500 LP, +/- 15 Victory Points.
4 Ships, 3600 LP, +/- 20 Victory Points.
5+ Ships, 5000 LP, +/- 25 Victory Points.

A bonus: The LP Payouts for FW ship kills are doubled when destroyed inside the Plex.


honestly it should just be LP for killing other people. fw should be about the pvp.

Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#75 - 2014-02-25 01:34:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Bad Messenger
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

Potential idea: Tier FW payouts based on pilots on grid.

Example: Base payout for a Novice plex.
1 Ship, 500 LP, +/- 5 Victory Points.
2 Ships, 1200 LP, +/- 10 Victory Points.
3 Ships, 2500 LP, +/- 15 Victory Points.
4 Ships, 3600 LP, +/- 20 Victory Points.
5+ Ships, 5000 LP, +/- 25 Victory Points.

A bonus: The LP Payouts for FW ship kills are doubled when destroyed inside the Plex.


honestly it should just be LP for killing other people. fw should be about the pvp.


you can not force anyone to pvp without good reason. And station lockdown is not enough on long term.

But lp for plexes gives lot of reasons to kill eachothers
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#76 - 2014-02-25 01:43:07 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Bienator II wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
So I have to ask why you can't get fights in Huola. Is it because the Minmatar totally dominate 13 out of the 24 hours of the day?
oh. you do get fights out of huola, and also out of lulm. Since those are the only two defended systems left ATM. The current fw mechanics do work, but only in 0.5% of the warzone. Not a very good coverage :)
So you know how, and where to get fights. What's the problem?

broken plexing mechanics

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#77 - 2014-02-25 03:51:13 UTC
Bienator II wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Bienator II wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
So I have to ask why you can't get fights in Huola. Is it because the Minmatar totally dominate 13 out of the 24 hours of the day?
oh. you do get fights out of huola, and also out of lulm. Since those are the only two defended systems left ATM. The current fw mechanics do work, but only in 0.5% of the warzone. Not a very good coverage :)
So you know how, and where to get fights. What's the problem?

broken plexing mechanics

Rahelis was complaining about lack of fights.
Colt Blackhawk
Doomheim
#78 - 2014-02-25 06:59:43 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Bienator II wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Bienator II wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
So I have to ask why you can't get fights in Huola. Is it because the Minmatar totally dominate 13 out of the 24 hours of the day?
oh. you do get fights out of huola, and also out of lulm. Since those are the only two defended systems left ATM. The current fw mechanics do work, but only in 0.5% of the warzone. Not a very good coverage :)
So you know how, and where to get fights. What's the problem?

broken plexing mechanics

Rahelis was complaining about lack of fights.


Let me explain it: There are two systems the minnies are sitting in.
Ofc also because minnies never fight without links are they are mostly too lazy to move their links out of system^^
Besides these two systems I am singing "I´m blue dababadi da..." because every wt you see is a farmer.
So you can go into these 2 systems where you have tidi and massive blob. But that is not fw. That is 0.0 warfare. So fw is totally dead atm in amarr/minmatar wz. Boring like f...

[09:04:53] Ashira Twilight > Plant the f****** amarr flag and s*** on their smoking wrecks.
Silverbackyererse
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#79 - 2014-02-25 10:51:24 UTC
I now have a family of four Fedo's for sale. They are nearly house trained now too. Damn cute lil buggers. Big smile

Don't really want to part with them but my resident Exotic Dancer attempted to cross-breed with one of them yesterday and I fear for their safety. Shocked

I'll be interviewing interested parties in due course. Cockneys and Glaswegians need not apply. P
Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q
Ushra'Khan
#80 - 2014-02-25 16:42:16 UTC
Colt Blackhawk wrote:
Let me explain it: There are two systems the minnies are sitting in.
Ofc also because minnies never fight without links are they are mostly too lazy to move their links out of system^^
Besides these two systems I am singing "I´m blue dababadi da..." because every wt you see is a farmer.
So you can go into these 2 systems where you have tidi and massive blob. But that is not fw. That is 0.0 warfare. So fw is totally dead atm in amarr/minmatar wz. Boring like f...

Everytime i see you enter system, you whine in local, call me a blobtard, accuse me of running links, whine some more, run from every fight and finally you move on. I can only assume you do that exact routine in every system.

Have you ever considered that you might be the bitter one who's wrong here? Bear

pew pew