Warfare & Tactics

Have no idea what you are talking about. Why do you equate criticism of an unbalanced suggested change with any of the situations you describe?

I hate having to agree with a squid, but I agree with this.

Cloaks and Stabs are evasion tools, and are working as intended. If you want to catch them, there are a multitude of counters:

• Multiple Scrams (particularly with links)
• Sitting in a plex with a double-scram Astero
• Sitting in a plex in an anti-frig Stealth Bomber
• Keres
• Possible smart bombs
• Etc etc etc

Now, low SP alts running plexes - also working as intended. The plex rats are designed to be weak enough that low SP characters have a good chance to kill it, while not hitting hard enough to make them overpowered against a low SP tank. This is done to make them accessible to newbies.

Changing the rats to be harder to kill won't fix the problem. A majority of the stabbed cloaky farmers you see are in fact alts of higher SP PvPers. In fact, in several cases a high SP main will blow through a couple systems killing plex rats, so their unfitted zero SP alt can run down the timers. That way, the PvPer gains passive income while being able to continue roaming on his main.

Finally, low SP farmer alts are not an issue with regards to system control. They can't kill a PvP kitted frigate, let alone destroyer or higher. System control of non-hub / base systems isn't an issue unless you're going for warzone control / higher tiers.

Want to keep them out of your home system plexes? Park your own alt in there. They won't come in, and if they do they have to close range with your alt. Who will be in a position to slap down multiple scrams and kill them. Problem solved.

Want to keep them out of outsystem plexes? Patrol more often, and run down the plexes with your own alts. This is also a great way to get general militia folks out and about pushing warzone control.

Seriously - can we stop the whining?

The real problem with whining about afk plexing alts is that it takes focus off of what is great about FW. There are TONS of fights happening all over the FW map every single day. And if you're in FW for the PvP, and that's what 95% of the FW players claim they want out of FW, then times have never been better.

The thing about upgrades, etc..., the reason people get upset is that they reward everybody - including noncontributors - and not just the people who participate in them. Currently the best reason for doing upgrades are for gaining system control (bribing the alts to plex for your side in all the areas that don't contain much PvP), and for "burst" LP accumulation.

They can, but running out to a backwater system to chase a guy not interested in a fight is boring as hell.

Anyways, I have nothing against guys accumulating wealth in areas I never visit anyways. Not a problem for me.

Enough players on both sides deciding actually live in the warzone and fight for occupancy. You tend to undock and defend your home when you have something to lose (when somebody decides to try to take it). Result: Massive levels of pvp that are unheard of in this game.

Maybe for Gallente side we haven't cashed out as much as the others and therefore aren't rich enough to not care. :)

Let all systems go vuln, dont flip em. and it will suck for the farmers :D

BUMPING FOR JUSTICE.


FIX THIS CCP

Says it all.

I am not interested in cool spaceship battles. However, give me the opportunity to do something mindless and dull for a longer period of time than some other internet auteur and I'm breaking out the Kleenex.

Change the record, it's cracked.

Problem with the less dedicated than a stabbed farmer argument is that some of them ARE bots, its easier to write a script for FW farming than it is for mining. I also did it without hitting and pulled in 40 mil an hour per account even while being chased, the thing is, they can chse you out of the medium, you just go to the small, while they catch up you get 1 minute on the small timer, if they show up to chase you out of the small then goto the medium again and time it down a minute while they catch up, if they bring 2 people then goto the novice, if they bring 3 people just hop a system over and try there, or just wait cloaked for 15 minutes till they get bored, you are an alt after all, you have 4 more accounts farming elsewhere you can manage.

having been a farmer and making many billions of isk, I still hate the system. My dream is that fw timers would be increased depending on how many people are close to the button with diminishing stacking returns like a ship mod, so for example if the second person on a button would give an 87.5% increase to capture speed.

I dunno, as evidence by the agreement among the factions here, everyone knows its broken and pretty much understands its farming warfare, and individuals have no effect on warzone control.

I don't like that the system rewards cowardice and that I have to spend time chasing stabbed cloaky alt after stabbed cloaky alt out of my home system. I have enough warp core stabs from loot to fit the entire warzone twice over. But it's a system we can't change ourselves, so why complain about it?