Wormholes

He already addressed that concern: "don't set up what you can't defend".

Your sounding like a crazy person and you are not making any sense.

If CCP add a structure that benefits the installer in some way but also drops things of value if destroyed, how is that taking anything away from the smaller groups?

In fact, it would benefit the smaller group because they could mess with the big guys in a way that does't require them to match their enemy's fleet size.

They can defend it currently. That is what a POS is for. You want to essentially take away their only small chance of defending their assets because someone bigger shows up and demands a sacrifice in either ships or loot. Sorry, but If you want a fight or loot, you should have to work for it.

Let me disclaim End-of-Line is now a somewhat acceptable 23/7 corp--I always have people on roaming. We could take advantage of this mechanic like crazy, but I really think that the quoted proposal is a horrible idea for wormhole space in the long run.

Now, WHY THIS IS A BAD IDEA:

This is nothing more than people with adequate power jerking off to the idea that they could bring overwhelming force into a star system, burn down "part" of a pos without having to deal with the whole thing, and make off with all of someone's stuff before they could adequately respond. It's just a rehash of Two Step's old "make POS'es easier to kill" idea.

I lived in lower class holes, like Bane, most of my wormhole life. THE AVERAGE WORMHOLE CORPORATION--you know, what MOST of wormhole space is actually like--is one time zone, a guy with a few of his "buddies," sometimes just real life buddies, who want to escape the tidi/drama/politics of null and just farm sleepers, do cloaky warfare, and have a good time after work on week nights. They don't even read forums most of the time... They just log on, make isk, and look for a few kills before bed.

These people already live in danger of having everything they own annihilated if someone like -EOL, SKY, Red Coat, etc. decide to evict them for whatever reason. POS'es create a deterrent--as it stands, it takes a reasonable commitment of time and resources to properly remove someone from a wormhole and capture loot... AS IT SHOULD! It's already bad enough once you get hole control on the little guy--they at least deserve the protection like stront timers to hire mercs/batphone their corp/etc.... It would provide a lot of tears, which I usually love and support... but...

Now, why would I not support mass harvesting of tears?

Well, to be honest, this mechanic would simply create a feeding frenzy, and when everyone is fat off the tears and isk of all the people whose stuff we've burned down, what would we do? Everyone would be forced into bigger and bigger power blocks for 23/7 time zone protection... all the small corps would disappear, and wormhole space would ultimately end up emptier... An empty wormhole space with power consolidated into the hands of a few is not what makes wormhole space great... its the thousands of small upstart corps just trying to get by, especially in the lower holes, that creates the awesome content that never winds up on forums, that we never even hear about....

I do not want to see wormhole space empty of small corps. All corps start small. We should all remember our roots.... Would any of us still be out here today, doing the things we do, if we could never even gets our sapling's roots into the cracks of a wormhole, somewhere, half-way safe to grow? I think not... I do not see this ending well for wormhole space at all...

So you think it's a bad idea? That's cool- it's your opinion and this is mine- neither will satisfy everyone.

Eve is an MMO. The content is for groups of players working together- not just 1 or 2 guys with alts thinking they should be able to solo or duo all the content and be safe while they do so.

We are discussing the harshest game environment in eve- seems like a lot of high sec people bring their safety blanket with them and think that all their stuff should be safe wherever they go.

Comon guys- this is lawless space- not empire- why is everything so well defended? There should be a balance.

Players should be the defending force and attacking force- not some massive hit point structure/ forcefield timer.

Yes it might encourage players to form bigger corps and interact more with each other- that's what an MMO is about.

There are way more indy people in wormhole space than people think.

Where can i rent this Duke Wendo movie? It sounds like a great spaghetti western.

You could possibly satisfy both points of view here. If I could put up some limited system upgrades that would increase my ability to make isk / generate some ****** static isk that would be neat. If they weren't rediculously expensive to put up (20 - 200 mil depending on effects/bonuses), I wouldn't be opposed to someone showing up at my door and and burning them down and making off with 50 mil worth of material.

I think the problem you'd have is there would be very few structures worth putting up. If I could grind it down in a legion in an hour while you were out with T1 crystals then I would have to be putting structures up every day or two.

Maybe if you put one of these structures into reinforce you'd get a medium sized payout, giving you incentive to shoot at it. When it goes into reinforce, I have to manually rep it with logistics and put a low cost repair into place to online it again. Then at least both sides would get something out of it. If I refuse to come out and play, I'm out a bit of cash and have to use my time to repair it. Also, with this if you were in a different TZ it wouldn't just be gone when I logged on (also might be a good logout trap mechanic...). You may also run the risk of turning those payouts into a farming mechanic of just rolling holes, blapping upgrades, and getting paid to grief offline players.

Of course, if you plan on evicting someone then after you clear the POS out, you're going to reinforce and then blap these upgrades to put up your own.