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faction warfare still broken

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bout datlife jerrel
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2014-02-21 22:55:29 UTC
was about to join fw then i discovered that people just fly 5 days old alts with multiple warp core stabs to farm lp, lol no thanks.

i hope more people do this, hopefully ccp will be forced to fix it instead of ignoring it Big smile
BuckStrider
Nano-Tech Experiments
#2 - 2014-02-21 23:01:13 UTC
Then just sit there, shut up, and be poor.

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Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#3 - 2014-02-21 23:12:27 UTC
5 day old alts with warp stabs? Try 1 hour alts with no training.
Gyromite
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
#4 - 2014-02-21 23:12:34 UTC
Got a problem with semi-easy money?(Not like there aren't 5 people hunting you most of the time anyway)

Why don't you run missions then? Oh wait all the noobs train FW stealth bomber alts so it's totally spoonfed and you're too good for that.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-02-21 23:18:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Caviar Liberta
bout datlife jerrel wrote:
was about to join fw then i discovered that people just fly 5 days old alts with multiple warp core stabs to farm lp, lol no thanks.

i hope more people do this, hopefully ccp will be forced to fix it instead of ignoring it Big smile


Fly an arti thrasher then. Target and alpha, then rinse and repeat.
djentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#6 - 2014-02-21 23:48:34 UTC
Step 1. Get a friend.
Step 2. You and friend fit scrams.
Step 3. You both enter plex and scram the farmer.
Step 4. ????
Step 5. Detonation

Or.

You follow the player everywhere he goes. Sure, he's stabbed so you're not going to lock him down - but you can deny him from making any LP, which can result in plenty of tears and sometimes some lol for your starboard lulztank.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#7 - 2014-02-21 23:49:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Fit multiple scrams.

It works as most of the LP Farmers I kill have 2 or 3 stabs fit. I carry an extra scram in my cargo and refit in station, removing my web.

That tends to be enough.

But seriously, if you can't find good fights in FW areas and only come across LP Farmers, you aren't looking.

There are lots of fights to be had and in many cases, the LP Farmers are alts of pvp players. It's a way to cover the cost of lost ships from pvp. On that basis I hope nothing changes. If it's not possible for FW players to cover the cost of their pvp ships, then they'll have to resort to other methods or drop out of FW all together. That would be a poor outcome from any change that nerfed LP farming.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#8 - 2014-02-21 23:57:06 UTC
Welcome to the PvE environment that is faction warfare! Here's your Condor, cloak, warp stabs, and complimentary billion ISK. Remember to always remind the local PvPers how much better you are than them, because your wallet can literally crush all their ships, and they obviously are doing it wrong. Remember to recommend FW to all your alts too!

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

AnotherUseless Alt
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-02-22 00:38:55 UTC
Unfortunately, the average EvE player appears to be smarter than the any of the Devs, and will find the exploit in any mechanic.
It was infinitely worse last year, when you could speed tank offensive plexes with a 2 day old alt.
Until FW matters to the rest of EvE, it will be nothing more than a haven for pirates, frig gangs and alts farming lp.
CCP should never have provided highsec routes between factions, FW should have been instrumental in controlling safe lanes thru the lowsec regions and in return receive isk (tolls) from those who use the route and lp for controlling a route.

"Self help is all in your head"

Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
#10 - 2014-02-22 04:13:55 UTC
AnotherUseless Alt wrote:
CCP should never have provided highsec routes between factions, FW should have been instrumental in controlling safe lanes thru the lowsec regions and in return receive isk (tolls) from those who use the route and lp for controlling a route.


While obviously something of this nature would never happen, this would please me to no end
Desimus Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-02-22 05:58:52 UTC
FW is broken for one simple reason. everyone has an alt spai in every faction. There is no loyalty. There, I said it.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-02-22 09:10:07 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Fit multiple scrams.

It works as most of the LP Farmers I kill have 2 or 3 stabs fit. I carry an extra scram in my cargo and refit in station, removing my web.

That tends to be enough.

what would you advice for Wreathe with all 5 slots filled by scrams?
alpha tornado won't work: you have no time to prepare your ambush (faction NPC)

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#13 - 2014-02-22 09:16:03 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
what would you advice for Wreathe with all 5 slots filled by scrams?
alpha tornado won't work: you have no time to prepare your ambush (faction NPC)


You can't win em all. There'll always be someone out there with that 1 extra stab.

In FW areas I haven't found that to be a problem and for the most part fitting 2 scrams works.
Sycotic Deninard
Basgerin Pirate
#14 - 2014-02-22 09:36:06 UTC
When I was in FW, I never found it a problem killing ships that were stabed out to Hell and back. I didn't kill them all, but I did get quite a few.

FW is broken but not for that reason.

A person that does'nt use his intelligence is no better than an animal that does'nt have any and thus are steaks on the table by choice and consent.

Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-02-22 10:06:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Knights Armament
To be fair, the reason people do this isn't because its just easy to make isk, they just don't want to be bothered with PvP. I find it easier to run from a fight I know I can't win, than to spend 20-30 minutes reshipping fitting and flying back to my farm spot.

If CCP wanted to encourage PvP, they would make complexes give groups the same reward as they give solo players, then people would have a reason to form gangs and pvp.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#16 - 2014-02-22 10:14:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Knights Armament wrote:
To be fair, the reason people do this isn't because its just easy to make isk, they just don't want to be bothered with PvP. I find it easier to run from a fight I know I can't win, than to spend 20-30 minutes reshipping fitting and flying back to my farm spot.

If CCP wanted to encourage PvP, they would make complexes give groups the same reward as they give solo players, then people would have a reason to form gangs and pvp.


Farming doesn't break FW and even with stabs and cloaks, you get killed fairly frequently.

There is plenty of opportunity to kill stabbed plexers with the right preparation.
Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#17 - 2014-02-22 10:15:56 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Knights Armament wrote:
To be fair, the reason people do this isn't because its just easy to make isk, they just don't want to be bothered with PvP. I find it easier to run from a fight I know I can't win, than to spend 20-30 minutes reshipping fitting and flying back to my farm spot.

If CCP wanted to encourage PvP, they would make complexes give groups the same reward as they give solo players, then people would have a reason to form gangs and pvp.


Farming doesn't break FW and even with stabs and cloaks, you get killed fairly frequently.

There is plenty of opportunity to kill stabbed plexers with the right preparation.



I find it difficult not to get killed when I am afk orbiting eating bagel bites
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#18 - 2014-02-22 10:22:50 UTC
Knights Armament wrote:
I find it difficult not to get killed when I am afk orbiting eating bagel bites


Working as intended. Smile
Miriya Zakalwe
World Wide Welp
#19 - 2014-02-22 11:23:02 UTC
Desimus Maximus wrote:
FW is broken for one simple reason. everyone has an alt spai in every faction. There is no loyalty. There, I said it.


This is not why FW is broken. In fact that's one of the more fun things about FW, because let's face it, when you've been in militia chat for more than a couple weeks you want to awox all those guys anyway.
Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
#20 - 2014-02-22 11:44:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Dun'Gal
I should also point out that there seems to be a large number of bots present that are farming LP. I know that bots exist in a great many parts of this game, but it's getting to be a bit silly. Some will ask "how do I know they are bots, and not simply very vigilant farmers?" because they don't do things normal people would do... like warping back to the same plex after being blown up in it, repeatedly, to be blown up again. A person would move on after dieing the 6th or 7th time in an hour. My prototype cloak collection is growing large though.
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