Wormholes

Bane, you seem quite biased towards low class wormholes and I'm not quite sure where you get the idea that there is no isk to be made in them. I'm not going to argue this point or explain the advantages of having a system with 2 statics as I don't want to derail your thread.

To help brawden your views, I sugesst you take a look at some of the old threads that discuss the need for more conflict drivers.

This is something that I would like adding to the list - more conflict drivers. I want to see a new feature or mechanic added to wormhole space that allows us to roll into someone's wormhole and interact with this new feature in a way the benefits people for fighting. For example, if the residents are unwilling to defend it they lose something while the attackers gain something. I guess it's a similar principle to the ESS.

Duke doesn't post often but when he does, he speaks the truth.

Add roaming sleepers to the number one slot on the list. If our next CSM rep doesn't make this happen within a year, I will personally see to it that he/she is punished!

Which is all fine by me but don't you think if we continue down that road we just have another version of null sec with moving 'gates'?

Well I think the evolution of w-space's 'settlement' is inevitable really but I guess that depends what's implemented and how it works. Changes don't have to include direct 'sovereignty' so in general - no I don't think it will turn it into another nullsec. Null is null and w-space is w-space. There are already a lot of similarities in some ways, but always significant differences too.

Oki as a C4'er...

C7's: Oki whatever, could kinda be cool if they DIDN'T have a static, instead relied on K162's...

POS's: It's kinda feeling like CCP is going replace POS's via deployables, or at least that's my wishful thinking. A deployable FF some deployable guns, job done. Would be nice to get SOME kind of talk from CCP on them one way or another, even if it's just a "F- You stop complaining"
All the POS, development kinda stuff could be rolled into that stuff.

C4's with 2 statics: Ok but that doesn't mean I'll be going up the chain ever. We'll BM it and leave it not-warped. Don't want a K-Space connection, I kinda like being a step away from civilisation.

Black Hole: Yeah it's pretty weird, maybe make it the opposite of a Cataclysmic Variable? Give it local reps bonus. Would certainly change up PVP fleets in there if the standard guardian support is neutered.

Manufacturing outside POS FF: Oki so no manufacturing in W space unless you can run 23/7 guys online? Well it's certainly going to remove all the caps in lower WH's... Not everyone has 100 active members spread across the whole day to defend that stuff. There's a reason reinforcement timers exist...

General Thoughts:

When are we getting new space nebulae backgrounds! It makes me sad going home after trips in K space that i have to look at the dreary old backgrounds.

Bubbles in all their types are a bit annoying. I don't want them removed but they do kinda also cut any PVP operation off at the knees after the first round. Probably more a podding issue but bubbles are what tend to cause it. Getting home is anywhere from a few minutes to a few days depending on exits. Maybe steal from Dust the Clone Reanimation Units? a POS module you can clone jump to but not from? Has a limited number of clones, real small like 8 and take up a ton of resources, maybe one use only. So you can get back into the fight if you feel it's worth the isk investment.

Discovery scanner is a broken local, DO NOT WANT. Or at least don't want the new sigs popping up straight away. Want the human put back into making yourself safe. Yes everyone used probe coverage to do sleeper ops. Yes the broken update of the discovery scanner is the same as clicking the scan button. There should be a better way to do this. A more W-Space way.

PVE is terrible in general. I'd like to see it become a bit more random. Maybe in taking the alliance tournament point system and assigning a points pool to the mission/site and a point value to each PVE ship type then randomly pick stuff till the points are filled. At least that way the magic of running a site for the first time and not knowing what'll happen would kinda come back.

Would be nice if there was a way to lower the mass of a ship. Nanofibre Internal Structures actually increase it....

NO WH stabilisers, random is cool and little empires of W-Space kept open permanently to one another via them is lame.

The T3 balance will be coming soon. While kinda cool and nice to not see so may T3's around, it's be nice if they kept their sleeper origins somehow. I'd like to see a new bonus added to each subsystem that's only active in W-Space, maybe that has instead of skill level is based off the wh class level?

In general on the lower guys going up WH classes. It's not going to happen at the moment. It's basic conflict driver stuff, there's no reason for us TO go up. Most C5/C6's I've been in have had either no one online or way more people online than we can handle, this comes from the big alliances that are around up there. We're not going to fight you. Period.

Fights come down to two reasons.

I want to fight.
I have to fight.

There's then the question...

Can I fight?

For most lower WH groups, who tend to be smaller in size, the question of higher WH PVP is "I want to Fight but I can't fight". You're all too big. You all have too many Logi/Carriers. You all run tons of E-war. There's no point for a smaller group. I see a higher WH, I BM it and move on.

I'm AU TZ , which means I'm often alone. Thus I can reliably take on up to ~5-6 people at once if I know what's there and I plan things out right. If there's Logi, I'm out, won't be able to break it solo. If there's E-War I'm out, won't be able to do anything. If there's more than 2 Domi's or a Armageddon, I'm out, I'll be neuted to death.

I don't mind throwing a ship away on a suicide fight if I think I can get a kill or two out of it. As far as I've seen so far, going up means I'll not get anything out of the trip. You don't mine, I've never seen a PI runner in the few times I've been upwards. I can't kill an Orca in less time that it'll take you to reinforce it with a dozen people. What exactly do you expect me to do going up? Park next to your POS and self destruct. Cause from my point of view, that's what it is.
I can't even do your sites when you're not home to mess with your isk income.

So the question I have for you Bane, what do you propose to answer my question of "Can I Fight?"

I don't personally have a good answer to this.
Maybe reduce the polarisation timer or make it based on sig rad or scan res or something? That way I can cross jump a bit and mess up logi.
Maybe make ECM modules not work in W Space ( lol ).
There's a post from me somewhere with a half thought out idea for sleeper sites merging together from from C1 level up to the max level ones, so at least I can do those lower sleeper sites and go "Ha, I messed with your isk!"
Maybe more things need to be built in W-Space, prevent minerals from being taken through WH's.

Whatever it is, I'd like nothing more than to take myself and maybe even a bunch of my mates up to you guys and come out of it going "Well we lost, but we took a swing and killed at least THAT guy" or "Almost got him before we all DIAF"

Answer this and we can get onto the question of adding more "I have to fight" things in.

In all honesty I think wormholes are in a pretty good place. Most of the issues with whs aren't with the actual wh, but with the pos system.

Lower class systems aren't hugely profitable, but they have other perks. C1/3 give you a static to the security space you want, with no other incoming static to whs. This affords people a lot of diversity with what they want to do. Set up in a c1 with a hs for industry, a low or null for pvp, and running null bear plexus, etc. C3 is the same, but allows you to use larger ships on the k-space you choose.


C2 gives you access to k space as well as a higher class wh for site running and pvp. It also has the same benefits as the c1/3 with the k space static.

C4 are always talked about like a red headed step child, but they are fine, I lived in one for almost a year, and with our c4 static we were making a lot of isk, and had a lot of opportunity for pvp when we wanted.

I don't have any experience with c5/6, but the only real complaints I hear are about the pains of evicting someone. That revolves around pos mechanics for the most part. I mean, it SHOULDN'T be easy to evict someone from their territory. Just look at null. It takes a very long time to do that. In this class of wh the main problem is the logistics of getting your attack fleet into the system undetected. This takes a while because of hole mass mechanics.




My suggestions:

-Modular pos system

-A new module that allows you to scan a wh entrance, and get the exact amount of mass that can still travel through it. Can't tell you how many times people have been stranded on the other side because of this. I mean, we can create jump bridges light years away, how has no one come up with the technology to scan the mass left in a wh yet?


-Oh, and let us unanchor dead sticks. It's ******* ridiculous how many of these things are just floating around. No one wants to spend hours upon hours bashing an abandoned pos.

I'd like to see roaming gangs of sleepers that don't drop anything for profit. Add them purely for an increase in danger. Have them randomly show up at wormholes and towers, maybe even POCOs. The fleet size of the sleepers could depend upon the class of the system.

Forum ate my post. Bah, cliff notes:

Blackhole effect:
Reduce mass of outgoing (static and wandering) holes by 5/10/15/20/25/30%
Increase mass of incoming (K162) holes by 5/10/15/20/25/30%

Harder to get out, easier to get in. More chances for people to screw up while trying to close.

Alternatively;
- Constant 5/10/15/20/25/30% time dilation inside Black Holes (like a real one would do)
- Constant, system wide damage over time applied due to instability. Rep your POS every couple days or the system will check your stront levels.

No to outposts
No to removal of self destruct inside POSes
Rework the sleeper AI so they stop changing targets just when they've finally neuted a capital out and basically have it dead.
Yes to Sleepers attacking your POSes and POCOs
Random Sleeper groups warping at random to sigs and anoms... and yes I want this to open the static.
Statics no longer respawn instantly, but at a random time between 5 and 60 minutes after they are closed.

No need for a c7. There's enough empty holes as it is!

A frontier is always colonized. History has proven it to be true. Also, if you want us far from empire space and the trade hubs, why are you against a trading/bartering post? In every frontier posts for trading and supplies have to be set up.