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Kaius Fero
#1 - 2014-02-21 19:10:44 UTC
Hello

I was thinking about the relationship of EVE and real life politics and is kinda hard for me to find a middle line. In real life (hope this is right) we all hate the politicians, but we need them to sustain a democratic system. Every few year we go to vote some fat dudes in suits just because they promise that our life will be better under their control. Yeah. Right.

In EVE we have CSM. Voted by only those who like to read about and love EVE. But also we have the null politics, a fantastic world where a lot of stuff happens. But there is no democracy.

So my question is... if I don't agree with the high sec politics, what can I do? The only option is .. move to null? How about election in high sec? James 3something called himself as a senator, even if the hi sec npc corporation give a fuk about him.

How about give us the freedom to choose our leaders? Free high sec, give us a full election system where we can promise and provide stuff. Give us gate control. So for example.. I'm a carebear master and I promise that everybody in my system whom will vote for me, it can be a happy miner.. all they have to do is to pay their tax of 5% ore or x amount of minerals mined in the system. and no pirates will enter through gates. Or ... my system is ffa.. if you mine stuff here, ur dead.

PS:I have trolling at lvl 5, so don't bother

Anselmo & The Illegals
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#2 - 2014-02-21 19:17:53 UTC
James 3something declared himself a savior not a senator, and there is no valid politics that can be done with out it being another power bloc. It's dictatorship, your only option is to gather another larger force to push them out or steal everything they own and break them

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
Na Und
Galactronics
#3 - 2014-02-21 19:26:34 UTC
Don't vote. It only encourages them. Here, and in rl.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#4 - 2014-02-21 19:32:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
First, CSM...cue laughter.

Secondly, I think I might understand where you are going with this...regional representation rather than big blocks?

i.e.
CSM has 10 seats, seats are apportioned based on population density, with minimums spread across regions/main playstyles?

Hisec: 6 seats
Nullsec: 2 seats
Losec: 1 seat
Wormholes: 1 seat

Candidates would have to declare which seat they are running for, vetted by CCP that is where they actively play in. i.e. Mittens can't run for the hisec carebear seat. Large chunks like hisec seats would potentially need further breakup for fair representation i.e. 1 pve, 1 incursion, 1 pvp, 1 gank, 1 indy, 1 trader

But again, CSM equals laughter, and the better-organized null players would never allow this to happen, alongside the fact the above hasn't already been done indicating faux democracy....meh

Would you like to know more?
Kaius Fero
#5 - 2014-02-21 19:32:23 UTC
Agondray wrote:
James 3something declared himself a savior not a senator, and there is no valid politics that can be done with out it being another power bloc. It's dictatorship, your only option is to gather another larger force to push them out or steal everything they own and break them

James is a senator, CODE is the most valuable hi sec platform, no doubt of it.

Anselmo & The Illegals
Serene Repose
#6 - 2014-02-21 19:37:13 UTC
Hmmm....I always wondered why people keep voting for the "fat cats". Now I know. They're "the politicians". So, you're supposed to vote for one or the other...instead of that dummy who thinks he's one...but is different somehow. What an idiot thinking he can break into all this! He doesn't even have the right kind of haircut! What a joke!

Yeah. Funny what "believing" does to you.

Thing about the CSM and high sec is, it's as though they don't exist. So, they don't.

Unless of course, you believe they do. Kinda like believing in ghosts...or corporations...

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#7 - 2014-02-21 19:41:16 UTC
EVE is not a democracy.
CCP only follow CSM recommendations when it suits them.

Nothing else to be said, really.

Mr Epeen Cool
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#8 - 2014-02-21 19:41:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
First, CSM...queue laughter.
Queue? Are your sure?

Quote:
Candidates would have to declare which seat they are running for, vetted by CCP that is where they actively play in. i.e. Mittens can't run for the hisec carebear seat.
So you're saying that even though they probably make up half the highsec population, alts of nullseccers are not allowed to vote for a nullsec alt to represent them? That's hardly a fair representation, is it?
Kaius Fero
#9 - 2014-02-21 19:42:59 UTC
Serene. Null potitics is what we give a fuk. Or not.

Anselmo & The Illegals
Twenty Five Percent
Doomheim
#10 - 2014-02-21 20:06:44 UTC
People in highsec dont really care about the state of the game, only isk/hr and preferably low-effort, low-risk, afk-able isk/hr.

On the other hand, people in 0.0 care a great deal about the state of the game as it affects their gameplay a great deal being content creators. This is why they organize and lobby actively for change and highsec folks do not.
Na Und
Galactronics
#11 - 2014-02-21 20:19:09 UTC
Twenty Five Percent wrote:
People in highsec dont really care about the state of the game, only isk/hr and preferably low-effort, low-risk, afk-able isk/hr.

On the other hand, people in 0.0 care a great deal about the state of the game as it affects their gameplay a great deal being content creators. This is why they organize and lobby actively for change and highsec folks do not.


What a pantload. Yes, some nulsec dwellers care about the game. The rest look for an easy button like the hisec dwellers.
Notorious Fellon
#12 - 2014-02-21 20:26:09 UTC
Twenty Five Percent wrote:
People in highsec dont really care about the state of the game, only isk/hr and preferably low-effort, low-risk, afk-able isk/hr.

On the other hand, people in 0.0 care a great deal about the state of the game as it affects their gameplay a great deal being content creators. This is why they organize and lobby actively for change and highsec folks do not.



What a disgusting attempt to segregate the community. Not everyone fits into your silly little labeling scheme. You should feel bad for posting this level of stereotyping.

Crime, it is not a "career", it is a lifestyle.
Thead Enco
HR..
#13 - 2014-02-21 20:30:37 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
First, CSM...cue laughter.

Secondly, I think I might understand where you are going with this...regional representation rather than big blocks?

i.e.
CSM has 10 seats, seats are apportioned based on population density, with minimums spread across regions/main playstyles?

Hisec: 6 seats
Nullsec: 2 seats
Losec: 1 seat
Wormholes: 1 seat

Candidates would have to declare which seat they are running for, vetted by CCP that is where they actively play in. i.e. Mittens can't run for the hisec carebear seat. Large chunks like hisec seats would potentially need further breakup for fair representation i.e. 1 pve, 1 incursion, 1 pvp, 1 gank, 1 indy, 1 trader

But again, CSM equals laughter, and the better-organized null players would never allow this to happen, alongside the fact the above hasn't already been done indicating faux democracy....meh



1. Majority of Highsec are alts. 2. Being that most subs are from people in 0.0, lowsex, and wh I don't see that format ever working out. o7
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#14 - 2014-02-21 20:38:23 UTC
Kaius Fero wrote:
Hello

I was thinking about the relationship of EVE and real life politics and is kinda hard for me to find a middle line. In real life (hope this is right) we all hate the politicians, but we need them to sustain a democratic system. Every few year we go to vote some fat dudes in suits just because they promise that our life will be better under their control. Yeah. Right.

In EVE we have CSM. Voted by only those who like to read about and love EVE. But also we have the null politics, a fantastic world where a lot of stuff happens. But there is no democracy.

So my question is... if I don't agree with the high sec politics, what can I do? The only option is .. move to null? How about election in high sec? James 3something called himself as a senator, even if the hi sec npc corporation give a fuk about him.

How about give us the freedom to choose our leaders? Free high sec, give us a full election system where we can promise and provide stuff. Give us gate control. So for example.. I'm a carebear master and I promise that everybody in my system whom will vote for me, it can be a happy miner.. all they have to do is to pay their tax of 5% ore or x amount of minerals mined in the system. and no pirates will enter through gates. Or ... my system is ffa.. if you mine stuff here, ur dead.

PS:I have trolling at lvl 5, so don't bother



I'm a bit confused... is what you asking for is that the ingame high sec empires. should suddenly give over control of there system to players and then the players have elections and set things they way they want?

To quote my fav line form meet the Robinsons "I don't think you thought this plan all the way through"

Sorry I gotta bring a tab bit of real world politics into this. Your idea is about as good as the person who calls for complete anarchy. Both are not thought all the way to there logical conclusion. What would happen is thus:

Caldari state does free election to the players, the people who win will be able to set taxes, sec status, whatever. They will have complete control of that empire area...

Goonswarm with its 10k or whatever members,(just an exsample as they are one of if not the largest alliance [I have not checked]) and there allies, would just rally behind there chosen canidates. They would pull in others to ensure victory, and because, like the real world (at least in the us) 55% of the population doesn't vote, then empire would just fall under the rule of one of the null power blocks.. and you are right back to square one.

You don't like null sec power blocks because they are not democaries... will, empire elections would just give the null sec alliances control over that area, make them richer and more powerful, and you as an empire dweller, would live under their heel.

Why did I add anarchy to this? No laws = families banding together = tribes = tribes banding together = city states = kingdoms = counties. Right back to where you start.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#15 - 2014-02-21 20:42:58 UTC
Thead Enco wrote:

...
1. Majority of Highsec are alts. 2. Being that most subs are from people in 0.0, lowsex, and wh I don't see that format ever working out. o7

They could be vetted out and not able to run for a hisec seat, using the same mechanisms CCP has already announced for identifying mains for the monolith they are building. Just need to first filter on mains, then filter on where they spend most of their time (or vis a versa)

Would you like to know more?
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2014-02-21 20:44:15 UTC
Kaius Fero wrote:
if I don't agree with the high sec politics

high-sec what? politics? what are you talking about?Shocked

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#17 - 2014-02-21 20:49:59 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
First, CSM...cue laughter.

Secondly, I think I might understand where you are going with this...regional representation rather than big blocks?

i.e.
CSM has 10 seats, seats are apportioned based on population density, with minimums spread across regions/main playstyles?

Hisec: 6 seats
Nullsec: 2 seats
Losec: 1 seat
Wormholes: 1 seat

Candidates would have to declare which seat they are running for, vetted by CCP that is where they actively play in. i.e. Mittens can't run for the hisec carebear seat. Large chunks like hisec seats would potentially need further breakup for fair representation i.e. 1 pve, 1 incursion, 1 pvp, 1 gank, 1 indy, 1 trader

But again, CSM equals laughter, and the better-organized null players would never allow this to happen, alongside the fact the above hasn't already been done indicating faux democracy....meh


*pinches the bridge of his nose* (crap I am posting a lot.. maybe I need to run for csm but I digress)

This idea, or example, would not need t be implemented. why? Because if ever char voted, you would have this already. If say your 10 seat model, hs has the highest population, null second, ls third, wh fourth. What SHOULD happen is canidates state where they live when they run, which they do now. The empire people would vote for empire people, null for null etc. As empire has the hightest population, they should get the most votes an thus the most representatives. The problem is... THEY DON;T VOTE. So you have thing like where if mittens runs, he can rally all of his guys behind him and he wins easily. But if say Chribba ran, and rallied all of HS behind him, he would win in a land slide (Chribba would win in a landslide reguardless, but that's cause chribba is just that bad ass) But that's not how it happens, if it did, a HS guy would be head of the CSM... instead we have Null sec guys that head it.

and I think I've gone WAY off topic lol

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#18 - 2014-02-21 20:55:00 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
They could be vetted out and not able to run for a hisec seat, using the same mechanisms CCP has already announced for identifying mains for the monolith they are building. Just need to first filter on mains, then filter on where they spend most of their time (or vis a versa)
So really, your 10 seats would only be 6: 2 high, 2 null, 1 low and 1 w-space?

After all, if they had such a method to actually count the number of players rather than characters, that's the more likely population distribution we'd see.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#19 - 2014-02-21 20:56:13 UTC
Kaius Fero wrote:

So my question is... if I don't agree with the high sec politics, what can I do? The only option is .. move to null? How about election in high sec? James 3something called himself as a senator, even if the hi sec npc corporation give a fuk about him.


if you're posting about james for CSM then you certainly have trolling trained to 5.

The answer is that hisec is filled with solo players and small groups and there's absolutely no glue to hold people together there, despite them forming the majority. Nullsec people have an intrinsic need to form groups and organize, which is why they dominate the CSM. People in hsiec are (often) clueless.

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Never forget.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2014-02-21 21:04:56 UTC
Twenty Five Percent wrote:
People in highsec dont really care about the state of the game, only isk/hr and preferably low-effort, low-risk, afk-able isk/hr.

On the other hand, people in 0.0 care a great deal about the state of the game as it affects their gameplay a great deal being content creators. This is why they organize and lobby actively for change and highsec folks do not.


Where does that leave those of us in low sec and faction warfare?
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