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Cleaner throws out 'rubbish' artwork

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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#1 - 2014-02-21 15:44:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
The artist ought to leave art installation the way it is now. Now it's a living work of art, organically interacting with the dynamic, unpredictable, and sometimes harsh energies of human society. Or, it's a representation of fatalism, and the unstoppable forces of cause and effect-- trash, though in the guise of an objet d'art, cannot change or conceal its immutable nature. It will ultimately be identified and eliminated by the impartial, yet implacably merciless, cleaning lady. Could be a good art world business gimmick.


Cleaner throws out 'rubbish' Sala Murat artwork

A cleaner has mistakenly thrown away contemporary artworks meant to be part of an exhibition in southern Italy.

Works made out of newspaper and cardboard, and cookie pieces scattered across the floor as part of Sala Murat's display were thrown out.

Lorenzo Roca, from cleaning firm Chiarissima, said the unnamed cleaner was "just doing her job".

He added his firm's insurance would cover the value of the art, estimated to be around 10,000 euros (£8,200).

According to local press, security noticed a number of items were missing when the venue, in the province of Bari, opened on Wednesday morning.

It later emerged the cleaner had handed them over to refuse collectors, thinking it was rubbish left behind by workers who set up the Mediating Landscape exhibition.

"We are obviously very sorry for what happened," city marketing commissioner Antonio Maria Vasile said.

"It's clear the cleaning person did not realise she had thrown away two works and their value. But this is all about the artists who have been able to better interpret the meaning of contemporary art, which is to interact with the environment.

"In any case, the insurance will cover the damages caused."

It is not the first time artwork has been accidentally thrown away by a cleaner.

In 2001, a Damien Hirst installation at London's Eyestorm Gallery consisting of a collection of beer bottles, coffee cups and overflowing ashtrays was cleared away.

Later, in 2004, a bag of paper and cardboard by German artist Gustav Metzger was also thrown out while on a display at Tate Britain.
Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-02-21 15:47:22 UTC
Someday will 'Modern Art' be called classical art?

I hope dearly that i shant be there for that sad day. Sad

"I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." - Kenneth O'Hara

"I dont think that can happen, you can see Gray has his invuln field on in his portrait." - Commissar "Cake" Kate

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#3 - 2014-02-21 16:10:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Graygor wrote:
Someday will 'Modern Art' be called classical art?

I hope dearly that i shant be there for that sad day. Sad



No. Classical art is a broad, but distinct, era.

Modern is now defined as an era starting around 1860 or so with the Impressionists and ending with a bang in 1962 when Warhol unleashed his soup cans. Thus begins the Post-Modern. Which is looking like it ended around 1995. We gotta wait awhile till our current era is named. But it's the first time in history just about that there is no "populist artist" like Warhol or Gary Indiana (the LOVE logo) or even Dali, all who engaged the public. Strange. Literally nobody, but maybe Banksy making a headline here and there.

Also, linky is broken.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#4 - 2014-02-21 16:11:48 UTC
If it looks like garbage, smells like garbage and contains pieces of garbage then maybe people shouldn't be surprised if it gets tossed if left on the floor.

I suppose "art" remains subjective.

But even then. You're never going to find the Mona Lisa accidentally dumped in the garbage bin.

Not judging.... Just saying

The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity.

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#5 - 2014-02-21 16:14:08 UTC
Graygor wrote:
Someday will 'Modern Art' be called classical art?

I hope dearly that i shant be there for that sad day. Sad


Yeah, it's just all garbage. RollALL of it.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#6 - 2014-02-21 16:19:53 UTC
Angelique Duchemin wrote:

I suppose "art" remains subjective.

But even then. You're never going to find the Mona Lisa accidentally dumped in the garbage bin.



The Mona Lisa was actually not considered very important at all. It was purchsed originally by King Francis I, and remained fairly hidden until Louis XIV slapped it up at Versailles. After the Revolution, it was finally hung in the Louvre, where it began to intrigue the public.

But initially it was not considered anything special at all. (And seriously it isn't. It's just a nice portrait. It's actually very small and hard to see if visiting. It's a case of "famous just for being famous").

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#7 - 2014-02-21 16:27:11 UTC
There has got to be a further explanation.................

Upon reading the article and all, that is a Frank Stella mural in the background picture, so this is not some kind of backwoods gallery or something. They exhibit major artists apparently. Galleries at that level usually have their own in-house staff for cleaning that is explicitly shown "what is what", and that's to prevent this kind of thing from even happening.

So, they hire an outside cleaning crew and the curator did not give explicit instructions as to what is what ?? That's kinda dangerous when you have a $5,000,000 Stella hanging around.

I smell a big stinky fish, and a possible sabotaging plot by another artist who recommended his friend's "cleaning crew" or something. It just does not make sense, especially for the level of gallery this obviously is.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#8 - 2014-02-21 16:58:23 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
There has got to be a further explanation.................

Upon reading the article and all, that is a Frank Stella mural in the background picture, so this is not some kind of backwoods gallery or something. They exhibit major artists apparently. Galleries at that level usually have their own in-house staff for cleaning that is explicitly shown "what is what", and that's to prevent this kind of thing from even happening.

So, they hire an outside cleaning crew and the curator did not give explicit instructions as to what is what ?? That's kinda dangerous when you have a $5,000,000 Stella hanging around.

I smell a big stinky fish, and a possible sabotaging plot by another artist who recommended his friend's "cleaning crew" or something. It just does not make sense, especially for the level of gallery this obviously is.

The plot thickens. That would make a good novel or screenplay, Krixtal. You should write it. Kind of a "Black Swan," but with found object artists. Smile (Link fixed, thanks for the heads up).
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#9 - 2014-02-21 17:11:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Khergit Deserters wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
There has got to be a further explanation.................

Upon reading the article and all, that is a Frank Stella mural in the background picture, so this is not some kind of backwoods gallery or something. They exhibit major artists apparently. Galleries at that level usually have their own in-house staff for cleaning that is explicitly shown "what is what", and that's to prevent this kind of thing from even happening.

So, they hire an outside cleaning crew and the curator did not give explicit instructions as to what is what ?? That's kinda dangerous when you have a $5,000,000 Stella hanging around.

I smell a big stinky fish, and a possible sabotaging plot by another artist who recommended his friend's "cleaning crew" or something. It just does not make sense, especially for the level of gallery this obviously is.

The plot thickens. That would make a good novel or screenplay, Krixtal. You should write it. Kind of a "Black Swan," but with found object artists. Smile (Link fixed, thanks for the heads up).



Yeah. This whole thing is just specious. Yes, there are tiny independent galleries around everywhere, and it is certainly understandable why this could happen, but it's still an incredible rare event.

When I saw that Stella in the background, I was like "whoa!". This is one of the "serious" galleries. That kind is just not going to chance something like this happening. Something was definitely up.

Also, it wouldn't be the first time an artist had another artist's art trashed. (just this week......) Miami artist destroys $1 million Ai Weiwei vase in protest



And then there are cases such as when Jules Verne finally passed, the first thing his housekeeper did was promptly throw absolutely all papers and notes ("It was all just scratch paper stuff") on the fire. MAny, many completed manuscripts and everything. All of it. Everything he ever wrote. Quite a few completed, non-published, manuscripts were involved.

The only survivor was a novel found in a safe about 15 years ago that did get published "Paris in the 20th Century"

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#10 - 2014-02-21 19:02:25 UTC
In the article, Sala Murat is the name of the art gallery and not the artist.

In absolutely none of the articles on the Web can I find the actual name of the artist whose work was involved.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#11 - 2014-02-21 19:45:33 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#12 - 2014-02-21 20:56:46 UTC


It's in my link in the earlier post. Did you read the thread ??? Smile

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#13 - 2014-02-22 00:41:52 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:


It's in my link in the earlier post. Did you read the thread ??? Smile



No Oops it was a hasty post while at work Oops I meant to come back and read. I scanned it though and since I did not catch the guys name mentioned in my scan, I figured it was about something similar Ugh
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#14 - 2014-02-22 13:18:12 UTC
Slade Trillgon wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:


It's in my link in the earlier post. Did you read the thread ??? Smile



No Oops it was a hasty post while at work Oops I meant to come back and read. I scanned it though and since I did not catch the guys name mentioned in my scan, I figured it was about something similar Ugh


That's OK. I'm just in a real whip-crack "get in an ordered line" mood. Lol

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Loco Kamikaze
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2014-02-22 13:46:09 UTC
i raff'd

that I should worry about losing my hearing is nonsense, because there will always be -=BASS=-

Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#16 - 2014-02-22 17:03:27 UTC
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
If it looks like garbage, smells like garbage and contains pieces of garbage then maybe people shouldn't be surprised if it gets tossed if left on the floor.

I suppose "art" remains subjective.

But even then. You're never going to find the Mona Lisa accidentally dumped in the garbage bin.

Not judging.... Just saying


When Andy Warhol died and and the public got a look inside his apartment the artwork inside was all antique.

Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#17 - 2014-02-23 02:59:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
I've got it! To the installation, the artist should add a big cleaning person's trash can, on a platform with wheels, and lined with a blue trash bag. Maybe rubber gloves draped over the rim, that's a decision for the artist. Find some appropriate (but regrettably not exactly the same) newspapers and cookie crumbs and arrange them in the can. Change the text on the little cardboard placard to "Observed/Inexorable 4 (Cleaning Lady)." Arrange the bin items to just right-- and it is done!
Malaclypse Muscaria
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2014-02-23 16:10:46 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:


It's in my link in the earlier post. Did you read the thread ??? Smile


I have nothing to add to the thread that hasn't been said already - but I just wanted to say I met Ai Weiwei recently in Beijing, nice guy Big smile

Apparently he goes often in the afternoons to a coffeeshop / bakery near to where I was staying. Saw him a few times there, minding his own business while stuffing his face with delicious baked goods (and so was I - even if it's something Asians recently copied from Europe, they've greatly improved on the original idea, and now there are awesome bakeries dotting Beijing that surpass what you can find here in Europe). Everyone else seemed to ignore him (or more likely, not know who he was, given he's a persona non-grata to the Chinese government and official media).

Despite the reported million dollar price tag on that particular shattered piece, he couldn't be dressed more simply and plainly. He looked like just any other regular Chinese truck driver. I don't usually bother celebrities when I see them in public, but one day he was just behind me on the line, looking at me - likely because I was the only laowai there - so I just said to him, "You are Ai Weiwei, right?", and had a little chat with him.

All in all, he came across as a very nice and down to earth guy - much unlike you'd expect internationally known artists.


Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#19 - 2014-02-23 17:24:38 UTC
Malaclypse Muscaria wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:


It's in my link in the earlier post. Did you read the thread ??? Smile


I have nothing to add to the thread that hasn't been said already - but I just wanted to say I met Ai Weiwei recently in Beijing, nice guy Big smile

Apparently he goes often in the afternoons to a coffeeshop / bakery near to where I was staying. Saw him a few times there, minding his own business while stuffing his face with delicious baked goods (and so was I - even if it's something Asians recently copied from Europe, they've greatly improved on the original idea, and now there are awesome bakeries dotting Beijing that surpass what you can find here in Europe). Everyone else seemed to ignore him (or more likely, not know who he was, given he's a persona non-grata to the Chinese government and official media).

Despite the reported million dollar price tag on that particular shattered piece, he couldn't be dressed more simply and plainly. He looked like just any other regular Chinese truck driver. I don't usually bother celebrities when I see them in public, but one day he was just behind me on the line, looking at me - likely because I was the only laowai there - so I just said to him, "You are Ai Weiwei, right?", and had a little chat with him.

All in all, he came across as a very nice and down to earth guy - much unlike you'd expect internationally known artists.




OMG I'm so jealous, can I touch you ? Thanks. Big smile I support anyone who makes upending the Chinese Government their life goal.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#20 - 2014-02-23 17:26:24 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
I've got it! To the installation, the artist should add a big cleaning person's trash can, on a platform with wheels, and lined with a blue trash bag. Maybe rubber gloves draped over the rim, that's a decision for the artist. Find some appropriate (but regrettably not exactly the same) newspapers and cookie crumbs and arrange them in the can. Change the text on the little cardboard placard to "Observed/Inexorable 4 (Cleaning Lady)." Arrange the bin items to just right-- and it is done!


Just watch it turn out that the accidental disposal of that part of the work was intentional and part of the work itself. Lol

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

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