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Rattlesnake Ideas...
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Boughan Maroon
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-02-21 15:41:29 UTC
So, someone at CCP has mentioned that the Rattlesnake (one of the best looking ships IMHO), is not quite in line with the other Pirate Faction battleships. The Rattlesnake has also suffered from the nerf to the omnidirectionals, thus further diminishing its place on the power curve. Now I would like to hear ideas and suggestions on how to "fix" the Rattler, without having to hit the other pirate faction battleships with the nerf-bat.

Should CCP change some of the drone boni? Should its missiles be buffed / removed / changed?

I am curious what everyone can come up with and am looking forward to a good discussion (maybe even CCP could pick an idea presented here.


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Mr Doctor
Therapy.
The Initiative.
#2 - 2014-02-21 15:45:56 UTC
I would imagine a similar bonus to the domi and a loss of missile bonus but I would hope for something a little more out of the box.
Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
#3 - 2014-02-21 15:55:37 UTC
Reduce its shield recharge time a little. It needs more tank. Twisted
Lina Theist
Running out of Space
ExoGenesis Consortium
#4 - 2014-02-21 15:56:07 UTC
I'm hoping for more missiles. Missiles are pretty bland at the moment, but it would be fun to have a pirate BS which actually uses missiles and not only neuts/smartbombs
Voxinian
#5 - 2014-02-21 16:08:22 UTC
Missile boats (besedes the BCs) needs to be buffed period and especially the BS. There are now the new rapid launchers, but with an insane activation time so it still pretty much useless. Missile boats should not have the tag 'PvE boat' as they have now.
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#6 - 2014-02-21 17:45:06 UTC
mm.. a 50/50 damage split of missiles and drones ..

100mb dbw 300 dronebay
25% missile damage bonus ... instead of velocity bonus
nerf HP and recharge reduced in line with navy

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Jta Grl
2 Pingeons Incorporated
#7 - 2014-02-21 17:45:52 UTC
Boughan Maroon wrote:
So, someone at CCP has mentioned that the Rattlesnake (one of the best looking ships IMHO), is not quite in line with the other Pirate Faction battleships.

They all seem so distinct. I honestly can't tell what is the "line" of the pirate faction battleships.
Boughan Maroon
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-02-21 18:01:12 UTC
I personally think drones are ok and all, but I would prefer to have a true missile boat. Seeing that torps are very underutilized (at most in the Golem) I think some good boni for torps (speed / flight time / explosion radius / (pick two) would, along with an improved agility and speed
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-02-21 18:18:01 UTC
Harvey James wrote:


100mb dbw 300 dronebay



Now why would a Drone based Pirate Battleship have less bandwidth than a Drone based Pirate Cruiser .......

the mind boggles.
Mournful Conciousness
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-02-21 18:25:51 UTC
here is my solution:

1. drop the missile range bonus, it's useless.

2. give the ship an ECM strength bonus as befits a guristas battleship.

3. trade one low for a mid.

4. watch and be amazed as the price doubles due to real demand from pvp and pve players alike.

solved.

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Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
#11 - 2014-02-21 19:15:06 UTC
I dont know about ECM befitting Guristas, but it certainly fits on that scorpion hull.

I dont know about giving it another mid. I was joking about it needing more tank, the thing is already an absolute beast.
Boughan Maroon
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-02-21 19:15:39 UTC
Mournful Conciousness wrote:
here is my solution:

1. drop the missile range bonus, it's useless.

2. give the ship an ECM strength bonus as befits a guristas battleship.

3. trade one low for a mid.

4. watch and be amazed as the price doubles due to real demand from pvp and pve players alike.

solved.



I do like the ECM idea. I mean the Baal has neuts, why not one with ECM? Good idea!
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#13 - 2014-02-21 19:18:56 UTC
If they made guristas missile ships because we have no current pirate missile ships, then it would make us equally devoid of pirate drone ships.

i'd have thought sansha were the unloved bastards of the pirate world.

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Voxinian
#14 - 2014-02-21 19:33:28 UTC
Boughan Maroon wrote:
Mournful Conciousness wrote:
here is my solution:

1. drop the missile range bonus, it's useless.

2. give the ship an ECM strength bonus as befits a guristas battleship.

3. trade one low for a mid.

4. watch and be amazed as the price doubles due to real demand from pvp and pve players alike.

solved.



I do like the ECM idea. I mean the Baal has neuts, why not one with ECM? Good idea!

The normal Scorpion and the Widow is already for ECM, both needs to be buffed.
Mournful Conciousness
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2014-02-21 20:14:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Mournful Conciousness
Voxinian wrote:
Boughan Maroon wrote:
Mournful Conciousness wrote:
here is my solution:

1. drop the missile range bonus, it's useless.

2. give the ship an ECM strength bonus as befits a guristas battleship.

3. trade one low for a mid.

4. watch and be amazed as the price doubles due to real demand from pvp and pve players alike.

solved.



I do like the ECM idea. I mean the Baal has neuts, why not one with ECM? Good idea!

The normal Scorpion and the Widow is already for ECM, both needs to be buffed.


Scorpion has ECM range bonus, as befits caldari long range missile doctrine.

Guristas PVE battleships always field ECM, so there's storyline support for it.

The combination of monstrously powerful ECM plus 1000dps of drones + a bit of missiles and a couple of heavy neuts would make for an extremely powerful skirmishing battleship.

You'd need the extra mid so that it could keep its tank while fielding an ECM.

There is of course a risk that people would field it with 8 ECM and no tank. But this ship would be selling for close to 1Bn, so what's the problem? People field bhaals with 7 neuts and no dps. No-one bats an eyelid.

There is also a risk that people would simply fit it with triple XLASB and no ECM to become an unkillable skirmsher, but it would be vulnerable to drone depletion in an extended skirmish so that's a niche role (i.e. bait) and unlikely to be a winning strategy in the real world.

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#16 - 2014-02-21 20:35:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
The problem with the rattlesnake is its unfocused bonuses. The slot layout and other stats are brilliant. The rattlesnake has a few strong flavors.

  • Missile/Drone Hybrid. Unique and Awesome.
  • Long Range. Has a missilve velocity bonus, uses sentry drones, good lock range.
  • Tanky. Has a resist bonus, considered one of the most powerful bonuses a ship can give. Also has ginormous base HP values and 13 total mid/low slots.

My proposals are centered around preserving the strongest flavor of the ship through shuffling the bonuses, especially its role bonus which is total weaksauce compared to every other pirate BS. it basically lets you shoot really far with precision cruise, or... yeah. thats pretty much it. or t2 heavy missiles from RHMLs.

Snipey version, replace powerful resist bonus with powerful drone bonus
Role Bonus: 50% bonus to drone damage and hitpoints
Gal BS: 7.5% bonus to range and tracking of drones
Caldari BS: 7.5% bonus to missile explosion velocity

Brawly version
Role Bonus: 50% bonus to drone damage and hitpoints
Gal BS: 4% bonus to shield resistance
Caldari BS: 7.5% bonus to missile explosion velocity.

Basically I think the drone bonus should be moved to the range bonus to bring it in line with other pirate BS role bonuses. The drone damage bonus is core. Giving it a missile application bonus beefs up the lackluster missiles, and makes them more worth fitting, and contributes to the dps. In its current state the rattlesnake needs to worry about both missile application and drone range, and absent bonuses for either its a very tall order to make both of them effective. Adding a RoF or damage bonus in place of the missile application bonus is also possible. Keeping it to 4 launchers is fine. The rattlesnake will be tanky enough due to base values and slot layout even if it loses the resist bonus.



EDIT: ECM idea is stupid.

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Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#17 - 2014-02-21 20:47:55 UTC
Mournful Conciousness wrote:


Guristas PVE battleships always field ECM, so there's storyline support for it.



by that thinking angels should have TP's and serpentis have damps.

batelle, u say it has bad unfocused bonuses, and then propose almost identical split bonuses...

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Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2014-02-21 20:50:27 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
If they made guristas missile ships because we have no current pirate missile ships, then it would make us equally devoid of pirate drone ships.

i'd have thought sansha were the unloved bastards of the pirate world.

My friend, I believe you have forgotten about the Astero, Stratios, and Nestor(lol).

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#19 - 2014-02-21 20:52:02 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Daichi Yamato wrote:
If they made guristas missile ships because we have no current pirate missile ships, then it would make us equally devoid of pirate drone ships.

i'd have thought sansha were the unloved bastards of the pirate world.

My friend, I believe you have forgotten about the Astero, Stratios, and Nestor(lol).


gyah

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#20 - 2014-02-21 20:53:24 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:

by that thinking angels should have TP's and serpentis have damps.

batelle, u say it has bad unfocused bonuses, and then propose almost identical split bonuses...


well lets just say that a shield dominix with a resistance bonus and a 6/7/6 slot layout would be OP as ****, so im not going to bother proposing it.

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