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Does CCP Want You To Live In Highsec?
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Barakach
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#81 - 2011-11-12 18:12:08 UTC
Eve is a cold harsh place... In Null sec.

Eve has a high sec to appeal to a wider audience. In order for this game to grow, it needs to attract more people. Not everyone is a null sec warlord, but with more people playing, you're more likely to find more null sec PvP'rs.

Kind of like the real world. You can have a military state and lots of war, but you still need "safe zones", otherwise society will never grow.

I would love to see an Eve with millions of non-alt players on during peak hours. They're not all going to be PvP players, but the PvP players can't have their huge battles without carebear indy players to create ships.
Caldari Acolyte
Shark Enterprises
#82 - 2011-11-12 18:43:23 UTC
Eve will never be a huge MMO like WoW, even CCP has stated Eve isn't for everyone, Steep learning curve, extremely long training times, etc. Everybody bitching and moaning here cause you can't get your way............Well, welcome to Eve where everything is not going to go your way. As for me, i like the game as is and the winter expansion looks pretty good and if not i will adapt and overcome.
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
#83 - 2011-11-12 19:01:38 UTC
Caldari Acolyte wrote:
Eve will never be a huge MMO like WoW, even CCP has stated Eve isn't for everyone, Steep learning curve, extremely long training times, etc.

I don't think the learning curve is that steep, actually.
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#84 - 2011-11-12 22:22:22 UTC
Suddenly Boom wrote:
Helicity Boson wrote:
I really think the only way to make people budge is to turn Highsec into a wasteland of pain and suffering.

Working on that bit.


So you think you can force people into hi-sec? People are more likely to quit than change their playstyle.


swing and a miss

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Jerek Mothas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#85 - 2011-11-12 22:42:42 UTC
I believe I'll throw in my two cents here.

I'm a casual miner/mission-runner, and I think the balance of ganking, scamming, etc. is just fine. I jet-can mine pretty much every single time I mine, simply for the fact that I don't like making 50 billion trips back and forth. You may think me an idiot because of this, but it works for me. Yes, I've run into can-flippers a couple times, but I just cut my losses and moved on. I've had a couple encounters with ninja-salvagers as well. And while all these scammers are horribly annoying, I can live with it. What I WON'T do is stay in EVE if CCP gives in to the suicide gankers demanding that they be allowed to ruin other players' experiences.

I've NEVER made nearly enough money to be able to replace the ships I fly, and the reason I fly them is to make more money. If suicide ganking is made easier in high-sec just because a few whiners complain about high-sec being "too safe", I'll never be able to really get into the game as much as I'd like. Just because you can make 300 million a week doesn't mean everyone can, and mining shouldn't have to go the way of the dinosaur or turn into a game of cat-and-mouse just because you feel like it. Please, stop treating miners and missioners like worthless scrap. We're people as much as you are. Yes, I understand that EVE is a harsh place, but that's why I stay in high-sec. Believe it or not, I actually DO enjoy playing EVE without enjoying getting every single ship I fly blown to bits, and I did NOT join EVE to PvP originally. Steadily eating away an entire asteroid belt, dumping it into cans, and hauling it away to a station is the best way to spend my time in EVE that I could think of. You may hate it, but I don't, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Just because you can't keep people from doing what you don't enjoy is no reason to complain. EVE is not JUST a PvP game, despite your narrow-minded opinions.

I live in high-sec, and I love what I do. I'd rather keep doing it, can-flippers and all. (Hulks are not chump change to everybody. Some of us actually CAN'T afford to replace them every day.)

Failfitting ships since 2007.

"Those who control their tongue will have a long life; opening your mouth can ruin everything." - Solomon
JitaJane
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#86 - 2011-11-12 23:24:04 UTC
I'm not feeling your 'Cold Dark Universe'. Because some troll might suicide on you and then call you names in local? Have you tried the cold dark universe of FPSs where someone might T-Bag your corpse?

90% of of the time my posts are about something I actually find interesting and want to learn more about. Do not be alarmed.

MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#87 - 2011-11-12 23:36:47 UTC
Renan Ruivo wrote:
Ganking someone for the lulz is pointless. It still is possible, but Soundwave won't be holding your hands any longer.

If you want to gank someone, do it right. Patrol the choking points, organize a gang and talk with them via teamspeak.. use passive targeters, cargo scanners and ship scanners.

You'd be surprised by the amount of T1 indies carrying over 500m in goods through some of the less known choking points. I, for one, won't tell you where it is because i don't want competition (and don't bother looking at this toon battleclinic, i use an off-alliance alt)


The point is, ganks should happen to people who deserve it. It est, those who do stupid things.


EVE has had a rule since launch. It ain't griefing if you're turning a profit. Point is, for over 70% of the ganks nobody was turning any kind of profit. Don't insult my intelligence by telling me that killing a random retriever with a thrasher gave you profits. You were just being a jerk to random people.

Cold and harsh != chaotic and pointless.


Now stop crying and learn 2 play the game.

Well said.

To the OP:

All these griefer tears. I guess with you lot someone's always got to be doing the crying.

Successfully doinitwrong™ since 2006.
Nephilius
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#88 - 2011-11-13 00:17:46 UTC
Lexmana wrote:
Nephilius wrote:
Lexmana wrote:
sYnc Vir wrote:
Not everyone plays eve to pvp and/or be a **** to someone else. Deal with it.


There is the problem. Since EVE is a PvP-game THEY should deal with it instead of trying to destroy the game for the rest.


If its a PvP game, then why do we have missions, and rats and stuff?

A more accurate conclusion is that Eve is Player driven. CCP gave us the toys, and let us do want EVERYONE wants with them.

Let me pose this to you...you feel that CCP is pushing you to play their way, while you want everyone to play the game your way. Who is right?

None of the changes thus far are the death knell of pvp, they only increase the challenge of it rather minutely. And if anything, PvP could use a challenge for once.

My stance is live and let live. PvEers and PvPers are locked in a symbiotic embrace, like it or not. If you take away the entry level part of the game, you will ultimately starve the game of future PvPers.


You don't get it - PvP is much more than combat. EvE has a unique market and player driven economy at it's heart. It is game that need conflicts, and a less peaceful solution to conflicts than we strive for IRL, to thrive.

If you don't believe me take a look at the price of oxygen isotopes lately.

I say this, make highsec safe and EVE will die. New players need to learn that asap so they can adapt or leave.


You didn't get it, let me say what I said again...

Nephilius wrote:
A MORE ACCURATE CONCLUSION IS THAT EVE IS PLAYER DRIVEN.


Thanks for showing just how blind and rabid you guys can really be. I agree with you and you tell me I still don't get it. It tells me that you guys are so hellbent on turning Eve into a wasteland of broken wrecks and high fives over a gank well done that you can't even see it. What you guys propose for the most part is what Lowsec already is, and you want it to be everywhere? At what point do you think that people will just come flocking to the game once this happens? Use your heads for more than a place to put your commercially licensed ball cap! Use LOGIC! Quit allowing your chicken little, estrogenic emotions to blind you as you have done thus far. What you are proposing would be the end of Eve just as surely as your fear mongering idea that a safe Eve is a barren Eve. Eve needs BALANCE, or it will die. The only proof you need is lowsec, it's right there in front of your face. I really think it's high time that the so-called blood thirsty carebears took a step back, a deep breath, and really think about making moronic proposals such as this. Let CCP do their job, you worry about you, play YOUR game and let others play THEIRS.


I like PvP in Eve, or the mechanics at any rate. As far as MMOs go, it is hands down the best system for it. But I understand, along with many others that there has to be a generally secure area for newer players to start in, grow and thrive. When they are ready, then they'll get into PvP. It'll be on their schedule, not yours or CCPs. If you try to force your way on others, they'll leave, simple as that. Do you get it?
"If."
Ferrenc
State War Academy
Caldari State
#89 - 2011-11-13 00:26:28 UTC
lol, boohoo, i dont have the stones to live in null sec, waaah, i want to rob/**** carebears but ccp makes it too hard, sniffle, null sec is too dangerous for me, sob, i want to stay in high sec where its safe and attack people there, whimper, why is ccp making it so hard for me to attack people where im safe blah. get a life, move to null if you're so hardcore
Justin Credulent
Luv You Long Time
#90 - 2011-11-13 01:25:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Justin Credulent
The ironic thing is when all the carebears who got recruited from SomethingAwful directly into a cushy null-sec life, or have been playing a cushy null-sec game for x-number of years think they have any perspective when it comes to the "new player experience", or what it's actually like to start the game from scratch and claw by your fingernails every inch of the way.

Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships!
Justin Credulent
Luv You Long Time
#91 - 2011-11-13 01:26:31 UTC
Ferrenc wrote:
lol, boohoo, i dont have the stones to live in null sec, waaah, i want to rob/**** carebears but ccp makes it too hard, sniffle, null sec is too dangerous for me, sob, i want to stay in high sec where its safe and attack people there, whimper, why is ccp making it so hard for me to attack people where im safe blah. get a life, move to null if you're so hardcore


1000 likes for you.

Null-Sec needs to HTFU and stop crying to CCP. If null-sec wants PvP, they need to stop being carebears and start fighting eachother - after years of bot-mining, they have the ships!