EVE General Discussion

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So if I'm a midpoint cyno 2 jumps from the battle do I get on all the killmails too?
I should since I took part.

If anyone used to play or still plays League of legends here then you know at the start support never got on kills.
then they implemented it so if player A attacked player B and player C healed him, they would get counted on the kill as an assist.

Im unaware of why you guys are giving him a hard time, he plays an important role in eve and most people whine and cry about there being no logi because everyone wants to be DPS (like every game), this guy just wants to get his share on the kills.

I think this would give a great incentive to players to play a different role and be more involved with the support role.

To take a bit of liberty I'd suggest that assisting drones is the most common way for logi pilots to whore on kills. It also contributes DPS (very token DPS, but still), however whoring on the killmail is always secondary to the primary roles of proper positioning, keeping your fleet in the fight and assisting with an extraction.

Often when I fly logi, I'm more often carrying ecm drones to counter the Griffins, Falcons, Blackbirds and other ewar that opponents bring to the fight and instantly target our logi with. Those ships aren't always killed because like logistics, they position themselves out of the melee, but the logistics pilots contribute a lot to neutralising the threat.

I also find that by the time logi hits grid, locks up and reps our inty because it needs it, starts positioning and then scans the watchlist and broadcasts, the first opponent ships are dropping. By the time you assist drones and they start flying into the fight, the opposing fleet is already depleted (well hopefully).

It's no big issue for me in terms of whoring on, as I get more satisfaction out of repping our ships and keeping them up (especially the interceptor, which can be in low armour or into structure by the time we load grid). The best time in logi is when at the end of a fight, a heap of ships are in structure but no-one died. That's when the logi did a great job to prevent a welp of the fleet.

So for me as above, a separate logimail for both successful logistics and also losses in the fleet would be good.

That one's funny from a logi perspective.

Some of our logi pilots have their drones set to aggressive as another way of launch and forget, hoping to whore-on.

But they often get a kill and end up on the loss mails of our fleet members because the drones sometimes attack the fleet ships we are repping (we have a couple that have even had final blow which is embarassing). It's kind of funny, but some of our guys are going to be accused of being awoxers if they apply to join a different Corp.

Don't get me wrong. I am a supporter of Logi on killmails. But CCP makes a lot of promises and doesn't fulfil many of them at all. There are a great many things CCP have said we will get, but in all likelihood we never will.

Why are you guys still talking about logi getting standard killmails?

It's been established quite well in here already that putting logi pilots on regular killmails will not work. There have been a couple of good ideas that were discussed for a couple of posts and then ignored for some reason.

Good idea from this thread #1:
Logistics specific killboard. Tracks everyone you rep who is involved in a kill/loss. I'll add: There could be a flag that detects when you rep two or more sides of an engagement and doesn't add such data to the killboard.

Good idea from this thread #2:
Logistics recognition on battle reports. This would involve adding a new system that effectively flags all logistics ships on grid whenever a killmail is generated (logi that were involved in the kill). This means any logistic ship that attempted to repair a killed ship or any logistic ship that actively repaired a DPS/ewar ship would appear as a separate entry within the killmail. It's not a "kill" for them, just a set of data showing all the logi ships (from both sides) on grid for any given kill.
The main problem with this idea is, "How would you know which side they were fighting for?". Most times it would be obvious but sometimes (NPC corp) it wouldn't be possible. Borrowing from idea #1, they could assign win/loss based on which ships you were detected as repping. If you rep both sides, you do not appear on the killmail.


Also, those saying cyno should get credit aren't making much sense. They are several jumps away. How about the line gets drawn with ships on grid?

Actually, that's not true at all. DPS is not the criteria for appearing on the kill mail.

Activating an offensive module appears to be the criteria for appearing on the kill. Scrams, points, webs, target painters, tracking disruptors, dampeners and many, many other non-DPS modules qualify. Like logi repping fleet members, the purpose of those modules isn't to do damage, but to reduce the ability of the opponent to deal his damage effectively (or to escape).

We have lots of kill mails where a ship appears without having done any damage, but it still contributed to the kill.

Ironically, if a logi accidentally reps the opponent (eg. When controlling drones rather than assisting), we have kill mails where that logi then appears on the kill mail even though the effect was to assist the opponent by accident, because remote rappers are also offensive modules.

Personally I thought all of the new aggression mechanics were to do this?

What's the point of this Agro mechanic if not to allow the system to count you as part of the aggression?

That wont work m8 :)