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When is a carebear no longer a carebear?
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Sigmund Evotori
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2014-02-20 19:03:03 UTC
Not sure if this is the best section for this but here goes:

Honest question, when is a carebear no longer a carebear?

Is carebearing character specific or the person? I.E. a guy with a pure indy toon who also has a separate pure pvp toon, is he still a carebear? Or does he have one character that's a carebear and one that is

Discuss.
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-02-20 19:07:55 UTC
I would say "carebear" could be applied to persons or corps who try to actively AVOID pvp. Most of us do PVE at times (to make ISK), but the game for a non-carebear is usually focused around pvp of some form.

Just my two cents

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Joepopo
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2014-02-20 19:11:42 UTC
When he stops caring about the money.
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-02-20 19:15:29 UTC
Joepopo wrote:
When he stops caring about the money.


In fact, a much better description.

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Sigmund Evotori
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2014-02-20 19:31:14 UTC
Joepopo wrote:
When he stops caring about the money.


Are you speaking of caring about the money he would lose in ships? Cause that actually does make a lot of sense.

So if you are willing to lose ships and don't care when you do, you are not a carebear?

What about if you don't care about losing ships to gankers but all you do is mine? Still not a carebear?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#6 - 2014-02-20 19:42:36 UTC
It's not about any specific act, it's about their attitude.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#7 - 2014-02-20 19:59:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
It's not about any specific act, it's about their attitude.

^^^^

To OP: Some say once the fear of pulling a trigger on another player is completely gone, you are no longer a carebear. Others might say once the shivers and shakes of combat are also gone, but they are fewer in number. Put a few non-consensual solo kills on your killboard, and call yourself a pvp'er with pride; but remember, its not about space-bushido and 1v1's at the sun in identical ships....just kill something.

F

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Sigmund Evotori
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2014-02-20 20:23:28 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
It's not about any specific act, it's about their attitude.

^^^^

To OP: Some say once the fear of pulling a trigger on another player is completely gone, you are no longer a carebear. Others might say once the shivers and shakes of combat are also gone, but they are fewer in number. Put a few non-consensual solo kills on your killboard, and call yourself a pvp'er with pride; but remember, its not about space-bushido and 1v1's at the sun in identical ships....just kill something.

F


Hmm. In my first month in Eve I tried to suicide gank a guy who was salvaging the wreck of my alt he had just ganked. I've suicided a few people, and been concorded before my target explodes, numerous times. I've flown in null blobs and in low sec roams. I've wardec'd high sec POS owners and burned their sand castles to the ground. I've also spent a couple weeks exploding as fast as I can in RvB.

I still get combat jitters though with the anticipation leading up to a fight. Maybe those will go away one day.
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-02-20 21:01:32 UTC
Sigmund Evotori wrote:


I still get combat jitters though with the anticipation leading up to a fight. Maybe those will go away one day.


Thats one of the reasons I play this game. No other game can invoke the rattles during an engagement. Crazy.

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Sigmund Evotori
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2014-02-20 21:39:13 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:


Thats one of the reasons I play this game. No other game can invoke the rattles during an engagement. Crazy.



That is very true. The only other game that can really get me on edge like that is SC2, but it doesn't last long and it's not reliable. Mostly I find in SC2 I either steamroll my opponent or get steamrolled. PVP in Eve I've found to be a little more reliably exciting. Even when my algos gets shredded by Tengu missiles in about 15 seconds. Still a huge rush. Some fights I actually have to take a breather after.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2014-02-20 21:47:02 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
Sigmund Evotori wrote:


I still get combat jitters though with the anticipation leading up to a fight. Maybe those will go away one day.


Thats one of the reasons I play this game. No other game can invoke the rattles during an engagement. Crazy.



I don't get shakes or shivers when engaged or outnumbered. And I am still a Carebear.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-02-20 21:50:27 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:
Sigmund Evotori wrote:


I still get combat jitters though with the anticipation leading up to a fight. Maybe those will go away one day.


Thats one of the reasons I play this game. No other game can invoke the rattles during an engagement. Crazy.



I don't get shakes or shivers when engaged or outnumbered. And I am still a Carebear.


Tis a shame. I hope I dont lose the rush.

And I have to say the idea of Kane shooting red crosses for ISK makes me sick.

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2014-02-20 21:53:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Weaselior
a carebear is anyone who squeals in outrage and demands ccp ban me when i whip them

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Sigmund Evotori
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2014-02-20 22:31:47 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:
Sigmund Evotori wrote:


I still get combat jitters though with the anticipation leading up to a fight. Maybe those will go away one day.


Thats one of the reasons I play this game. No other game can invoke the rattles during an engagement. Crazy.



I don't get shakes or shivers when engaged or outnumbered. And I am still a Carebear.


I have a hard time seeing you as a carebear. Huge fan btw. :)


also, is anyone else having the forums act really glitchy?
Sycotic Deninard
Basgerin Pirate
#15 - 2014-02-20 23:12:09 UTC
You're no longer a care bear when you have negative sec status.

A person that does'nt use his intelligence is no better than an animal that does'nt have any and thus are steaks on the table by choice and consent.
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#16 - 2014-02-20 23:43:02 UTC
Sycotic Deninard wrote:
You're no longer a care bear when you have negative sec status.



I wouldn't say that.

I see lots of lowbears masquerading as FW pilots......and usually are -5 or worse.

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

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Louis Robichaud
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-02-21 00:46:31 UTC
A carebear is someone unwilling to fight

I blog a bit http://hspew.blogspot.ca
Sigmund Evotori
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2014-02-21 01:32:47 UTC
So since I started this thread I got my first solo PVP kill. Yes his fit was not very good, and yes it was the worst possible setup to counter my tengu, and yes his ship was dual tanked with no web, but still. I had the combat jitters up until I had him disrupted and could see that his artillery was no threat to me. From there on in I was actually surprisingly calm.

Thanks pvp community!
Mourn LeBlade
Jupiter Roughriders
#19 - 2014-02-21 01:46:32 UTC
When you discover that shooting anything that moves in wormholes, to the exclusion of all else, is as addictive as crack.

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Billy Sastard
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2014-02-21 05:20:32 UTC
Sigmund Evotori wrote:
So since I started this thread I got my first solo PVP kill. Yes his fit was not very good, and yes it was the worst possible setup to counter my tengu, and yes his ship was dual tanked with no web, but still. I had the combat jitters up until I had him disrupted and could see that his artillery was no threat to me. From there on in I was actually surprisingly calm.

Thanks pvp community!


Congrats!

I remember my first solo kill... I was in a T1 fit armageddon and a malediction burned directly at me from long range and I killed it with 1 or 2 volleys. He pretty much gave me the kill but I still felt exuberant... So much so I went and paid $10 to redo my character portrait and put on this spiffy black hood to celebrate (well not THIS specific hood, as that was years before the current portrait system).

I spent my first year in this game hiding in out-of-the way hisec systems mining with 3 accounts scared of everything (mainly due to ending up under the wing of the wrong people I guess). I ended up quitting and coming back a couple times and was about to hang it up for good and decided to see what 0.0 was all about. I got in a cheap punisher, picked a random spot on the map, and went out to see what was up. Found a station and hung around for a couple minutes then promptly died to a wolf who caught me at a gate when I decided I should leave. I had a good conversation with the guy who killed me and ended up joining a 0.0 corp and spend a good amount of time blowing things up and getting blown up.

With all that said, in the back of my mind I consider myself a little bit of a carebear. I think it is something that someone never really overcomes. Last night I even joined some CODE guys in a few licence enforcement actions on my alt and, while the activity was quite fun and exciting, I still felt just a little bad for those orca guys (they really should have had their licences in order...Straight)
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