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EvE Passive income needs to be removed

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#81 - 2014-02-20 14:11:38 UTC
Knights Armament wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Op, is there anything in EVE you haven't got a gripe with?


I am always trying to improve the game for the benefit of its players, and developers wallets.


That wasn't an answer to my question, actually. So, the question remains unanswered, although, I'm pretty sure I know what the answer is.

For the record, nothing you've suggested improves the game for me, so... who are you trying to 'improve' it for? I'm seeing a lot of people here not interested in your 'improvements' at all.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#82 - 2014-02-20 14:12:25 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
Knights Armament wrote:
Money only has value because the people in control claim it does, real value comes from power.


Incorrect. I send you back to reading Adam Smith. Money is irrelevant, it's an agreed upon store of value. Actual wealth or value is accumulated labor and efficiency, or the ownership of things that can purchase such labor and efficiency. Power comes from being able to control such labor and efficiency and its allocation through society.



I can control labor with an implant that forces them to behave like drones. Again power is what makes things valuable, I have the power to kill everyone, if someone rejects my offers I kill them.

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Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#83 - 2014-02-20 14:13:22 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Knights Armament wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Op, is there anything in EVE you haven't got a gripe with?


I am always trying to improve the game for the benefit of its players, and developers wallets.


That wasn't an answer to my question, actually. So, the question remains unanswered, although, I'm pretty sure I know what the answer is.

For the record, nothing you've suggested improves the game for me, so... who are you trying to 'improve' it for? I'm seeing a lot of people here not interested in your 'improvements' at all.


The answer to my question is that no one is ever satisfied, something can always be improved.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#84 - 2014-02-20 14:15:04 UTC
Knights Armament wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Knights Armament wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Op, is there anything in EVE you haven't got a gripe with?


I am always trying to improve the game for the benefit of its players, and developers wallets.


That wasn't an answer to my question, actually. So, the question remains unanswered, although, I'm pretty sure I know what the answer is.

For the record, nothing you've suggested improves the game for me, so... who are you trying to 'improve' it for? I'm seeing a lot of people here not interested in your 'improvements' at all.


The answer to my question is that no one is ever satisfied, something can always be improved.


It was my question actually, and just because someone has a problem with something, doesn't mean it needs to be improved. Whether it can or not is beside the point.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#85 - 2014-02-20 14:15:24 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Knights Armament wrote:
Very little of what, you have not quoted anything I've said.
Incorrect.


Your newbie skill plan is wrong

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#86 - 2014-02-20 14:16:06 UTC
Knights Armament wrote:
Your newbie skill plan is wrong
Incorrect.
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#87 - 2014-02-20 14:16:26 UTC
Tuttomenui II wrote:
Knights Armament wrote:
It is a good thing space is infinite, it isn't the same thing either, one is realistic and one is fake. If an alliance controls the milky way and is taking all of the resources, eventually that alliance has to move out of the milky way, if a rare resource is found in another galaxy/system one alliance must decide to go to war in order to capture this rare resource thats capable of generating untold destruction, my game would be how space is, eve is space socialism with very little risk.

EvE has a fake physics engine, and a economy based on the idea of unlimited resources, once one group obtains power its nearly impossible to remove that group from power. If I can travel to a different galaxy and find a rare resource, or learn how to generate a big bang or some other type of super weapon I can remove this group from power, in a universe like EvE its basically balanced so nothing exciting ever happens, and its completely fake just like here on earth, until someone in a basement develops super powers and starts knocking out the competition through new weird technology no one understands.


Spoilers*****





First, space is not infinite.

Not sure I would agree. No one knows for certain. They do know the universe is expanding. For something to expand would suggest it would have to have an end.

Space and time are tied together and we dont have the knowledge or resources to say one way or the other. We only have theory
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#88 - 2014-02-20 14:16:45 UTC
Knights Armament wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Knights Armament wrote:
Very little of what, you have not quoted anything I've said.
Incorrect.


Your newbie skill plan is wrong


I see what's happening here. Two things, actually.

1. You're trolling

2. You have an epic crush on Tippia.

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Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#89 - 2014-02-20 14:19:30 UTC
None of you have anything to offer me intellectually it is like talking to children, I am growing tired of the lack of understanding of how economies and our universe works, it isn't even related to my original post in any manner. Every time someone attacks me they offer nothing substantial to back their claims, and most of you have a reading comprehension problem and mistake the meaning of my posts. I am done arguing with imbeciles.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#90 - 2014-02-20 14:22:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Knights Armament wrote:
None of you have anything to offer me intellectually
…aside from facts that inconveniently blow planet-sized holes in your suggestions for EVE.

Quote:
I am growing tired of the lack of understanding of how economies and our universe works
Well, that's sad because we're having such a fun time trying to fill in those gaps in your knowledge. I know learning is hard and tiresome, but just hang in there and something might stick.

Quote:
I am done arguing with imbeciles.
Incorrect.
Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#91 - 2014-02-20 14:26:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Knights Armament
Anyone who thinks fiat currency is sustainable is a shill, anyone who thinks a resource based economy would make a better game is smart. Anyone who doesn't know the universe is expanding faster than light should read more. - thread

btw one word replies don't make you intelligent, it makes you pseudo intellectual like steve jobs.

If you want legitimacy you have to post sources.

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Victor Andall
#92 - 2014-02-20 14:28:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Victor Andall
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Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#93 - 2014-02-20 14:29:23 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Knights Armament wrote:
None of you have anything to offer me intellectually
…aside from facts that inconveniently blow planet-sized holes in your suggestions for EVE.

Quote:
I am growing tired of the lack of understanding of how economies and our universe works
Well, that's sad because we're having such a fun time trying to fill in those gaps in your knowledge. I know learning is hard and tiresome, but just hang in there and something might stick.

Quote:
I am done arguing with imbeciles.
Incorrect.


They should have had you debate that ham guy instead of bill nye, bill nye did ok, but I think you would have done better.

Of course there's that one saying. "You can't win an argument with a stupid person, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience".
Shiti Dama
Hull Zero Two
#94 - 2014-02-20 14:29:46 UTC
Tuttomenui II wrote:
Shiti Dama wrote:
Space is not infinite nor finite, it is most definitely undefined.




I lost my train of thought again.


We humans need not to see nor touch, we just need to imagine. When we grasp the domain, range and nature of "space" (THE UNIVERSE) within our minds then we defined "IT".

I find your input stimulating.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#95 - 2014-02-20 14:30:06 UTC
Knights Armament wrote:
None of you have anything to offer me intellectually it is like talking to children, I am growing tired of the lack of understanding of how economies and our universe works, it isn't even related to my original post in any manner. Every time someone attacks me they offer nothing substantial to back their claims, and most of you have a reading comprehension problem and mistake the meaning of my posts. I am done arguing with imbeciles.


Awww...


Is it passed someone's bedtime??

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#96 - 2014-02-20 14:31:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Knights Armament wrote:
Anyone who thinks fiat currency is sustainable is a shill, anyone who thinks a resource based economy would make a better game is smart.
…except that experience has shown otherwise. Again, there's a reason why money exists. The same reason applies to game design. There's a reason why faucet-and-sink design is how games end up whenever the try a limited-resource model.

Oh, and passive income is one of those marvellous anti-grinding mechanisms that make EVE superior to most other games.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#97 - 2014-02-20 14:31:13 UTC
There is no such thing as passive income generation. That would be if you just dropped something that ticked along merrily increasing the amount of ISK in your wallet at a steady rate without supervision or interaction.

EVE has passive resource generation. Those resource still need to be gathered, processed, transported and either sold or used. They need, in other words, to be actively interacted with in order to turn them into income.

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Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#98 - 2014-02-20 14:32:46 UTC
Knights Armament wrote:

steve jobs is a pseudo intellectual.


Holy Hell Hath Frozen Over, OP just said something I can agree with!!!! Twisted
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#99 - 2014-02-20 14:34:59 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
There is no such thing as passive income generation. That would be if you just dropped something that ticked along merrily increasing the amount of ISK in your wallet at a steady rate without supervision or interaction.

EVE has passive resource generation. Those resource still need to be gathered, processed, transported and either sold or used. They need, in other words, to be actively interacted with in order to turn them into income.




Actually pocos pay out pure isk.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#100 - 2014-02-20 14:35:43 UTC
Loraine Gess wrote:
Stitcher wrote:
There is no such thing as passive income generation. That would be if you just dropped something that ticked along merrily increasing the amount of ISK in your wallet at a steady rate without supervision or interaction.

EVE has passive resource generation. Those resource still need to be gathered, processed, transported and either sold or used. They need, in other words, to be actively interacted with in order to turn them into income.




Actually pocos pay out pure isk.


That came from other players. /derp

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104