Player Features and Ideas Discussion

if ppl want to drop from a dec, fair do's. u dec the corp, not the player. there are other ways to target players and other ways of area denial.

war decs are very good for attacking ppl your competing with. fair enough it isnt always used like that, but in a sandbox anyone can attack u for any reason they like; money, PvP practice, killboard padding or just the lols. Such is the beauty of the sandbox.

war decs are a bit un-sandboxy since they were changed. Having unlimited allies on one side is something that i'd like to change. Having unlimited allies on both sides is more like the sandbox. If a defender escalates with mercs, why cant the attackers friends also join in to help against the mercs? And why doesn't everyone joining the dec pay equal fees?

If ur opposed to war deccing, there are NPC corps. u dnt have to be in a corp to form a fleet to run missions or mine together. u can literally make a new channel and call it 'corp chat' invite ur friends and call urselves a corp. What u cant do is have roles, POS's and a shared corp wallet, because all these extra benefits are designed to come with risk.

Yes this is a sandbox. no that does not give u the right to play unmolested. it gives u the right to defend urself in anyway u see fit (within game mechanics).

How would u remove a POS thats in 'your spot' without wardecs? in particular, offlined POS's from inactive corps.

edit- there should never be an incentive, neither a deterrent to war decs. all incentives and deterrents should come from the players and the situations they're in.

I imagine ppl who want to try PvP would be more encouraged to goto low sec yeah. but it would also mean u can opt out of war decs by not having a POS. There are more benefits to being in a corp than that (like taxed isk isnt destroyed), and those benefits should still come with risk.

it'd also remove wardeccing for any reason u like, which i'm a pro for. If war deccing is the mechanic we are supposed to use to combat one another, it should not be limited to structures. hiring hitmen should be a thing. or paying ppl to keep miners docked up for a week so u have more rocks to urself should be a thing.

Combat PvP doesnt have to happen in low sec or lower. the entire game is a multi layered PvP thunderdome that employs natural selection by survival of the fittest, even high sec. its all mad max in space. the weak and vulnerable are preyed upon, so they must either band together with tougher individuals or perish. Thats the way i like it.

Whenever my alts corp gets decced, i tell everyone to rally in one system where we keep PvP ships and equipment. scouts are set-up at choke points and miners can mine under the watch of combat pilots. They aren't amazing PvP'ers, but most deccers really dnt expect their targets to be prepared, so we have mixed success besides pretty poor skills and experience. And the more we get decced, the more our 'carebears' fall in love with PvP and the game in general.

Basil, you seem to have a Kokkivophobia that is clouding your mind and making you say stupid things. There aren't huge hundred man fleets that are going to X up just to kill your 10 guys. You don't have to let the big bad PvPers make you spin your ship in the station until the counter hits 9000! I've seen the high-sec griefers that everyone loves to complain about have wars with zero kills. They gave a war and nobody came!

Don't be scared. If you are being griefed by war targets it is your fault.

1) They're coming with 25 inties. You have the mediocre blackbird. Your turn.
2) War decs are overpowered, because nobody is coming in case of risk greater than 0.001%, but you still can't mine or haul. There is nothing you can do to end it, there is nothing you can hit, and you will be only hit with overpowering force, should one come. There is practically no incentive to undock - you end up losing ship and gain nothing. That is why war decs are overpowered - because they offer no risk and infinite reward for the attacker.


There are thousand man fleets to do it, which split up into hundreds.


Because nobody undocked.


Oh sure. It's my fault overpowered war dec button exists.
I am not scared, but give me the incentive to undock, and I will. Elite PeeveePeePeePeePeePee-ing? I can have that where I live. Satisfaction? They have no exposed assets to hit, so no chance. Reward? There isn't any.
There's just that thing that now you can't move outside of anti-griefer formation, which is extremely unfun to do. Yes, they will get their butts kicked if they come with small fleet, so what? It's not fun. And knowing that small fleet is getting stardusted, they're either coming in a big one or not coming at all, but you still gotta keep the unfun anti-griefer formation.
The better choice is save youself a bother and unsub hisec alts for a pair of months.

None of the above have a chance against 25 inties.


They only undock if it's 10 to 1. Never otherwise. If they're undocked, they are invulnerable. Otherwise they would dock up in a second.
If they are in our system, that means they already scouted and ensured they take zero risk. No initiative for the defender.
They don't have less risk, they have zero risk. Because they bring what I cannot bring - a level of magnitude difference in numbers.
Eve has no PvP, only blobs of skillpoints. The biggest skillpoint blob has always emerged victorious, unless committing a blunder in a risky situation. Something tells me that they won't come if situation is remotely risky, so if they're coming, it means they already evaluated that risk is zero, and as long as they have their numbers advantage, risk would always be zero.


My attitude is to not do things with risk/reward ratio above 0.95 - fighting defensive wars is estimated 0.0 risk/reward ratio, so I can't imagine myself doing it.
Joining a protective corp does not solve a problem - you still can't mine or haul, enemy assets remain invulnerable.
Hiring other group to help me does not solve a problem - you still can't mine or haul, enemy assets remain invulnerable.
Leaving corp is not a solution, since it brings 1100% tax, and robs the ability to share stuff with friends without tremendous hassle, along with ability to own any non-personal assets whatsoever, and mainly because it's what griefers want - you have to ask their permission to play eve.


Fozzie killed mining on Odyssey, I barely mined ever since. This character is a maxed mining foreman, but since Fozzie happened it's been useless.
There is no risk for the attacking corp, because they won't attack if there's any, and there is no way for the defending corp to make any, not a single one, because the attacker has no exposed assets to hit. Even if you hired someone, they can stay docked spinning ships, waiting till your mercs had enough and quit, then resume the griefing. You cannot force a fight, they either come in blob or not come at all, and just camp choke points all day, ready to dock up if there's something resembling a gun parade somewhere around, in which case they batphone their bros and hit it if they can, or just stay docked if they can't.
Attacker has no risk, defender is screwed. Rework war dec pls.

1) I am aggressive, not angry.
2) I have more knowledge than needed about how it works.
3) The counter to every PvP attempt in eve is either bringing more total SP blob or not undocking. And you can't do that in war dec situation because NOBODY challenges someone he can't reliably beat, especially risk-awerse war dec griefers.
4) So I have to invest years of skillpoints and trillions of ISK into variety of ships nobody in my corp is able to fly efficiently just for it to die in a blob warfare. Nice advice, how much did you lost following it?
5) I have to waste extra accounts to know that a blob is coming? Thanks captain obvious! I know they're coming, I know they're coming in a blob which reliably beats any fleet comp small corp can field, and why bother since in any case the only thing to do would be docking up once they hit local?


"Join some fatcat corp with 75% tax and bazillion of rules, so that you still can't mine or haul, but at least... sorry, can't find any pros" (c) You.
Like I said, warfare PvP in EVE is based on amount of skillpoints. Bigger skillpoints blob always wins, so any account earlier than 2008 is simply out of pewpew unless he finds people with even less sp, and we get another war dec of elite peeveepeepeepeepeeppeeers.
But I save that discussion for another thread. The point of this thread is war deccing. Your advice in this block revolves around joining a corp with even more war decs than small corp of your own, which defeats the whole purpose of joining another corp. Bad advice as always.


I've been mining for YEARS, mister, and I've seen, heard, and witnessed ZERO war decs due to belt concurrency. Belts in hisec are simply too huge, there is enough for everyone! Ice belts were too huge as well, there were equally enough for everyone. Now there are ice anoms which do see some competition, but hardly anyone throws war decs to do it simply because mining barges (desperately lacking in yield procurers/skiffs aside) are untankable! You don't need to war dec just to bring over 9000 catalysts in under 100k meta fits to render the ice anom clear from the competition every time it spawns before they move. And if they bring procurers, you can simply ignore them because their yield sucks. And those catalysts will still come cheaper than war dec in the end.

Your coolstories are starting to sound awfully close to goon ones.

Once a year is barely much, but I've seen it all.
Those are not exaggerations, more like understatements, in reality there were more.
I remember sitting in Teonusude when Marmite blob landed, it went to TiDi 12% right away - made some screenshots of that, but I can't find them, must be on my other PC...

Nope Gross exagerations. The Marmite Collective is a very large high sec corp, and very expensive, so they are used differently then your average high sec pvp corp. This is intel. read their info, website, google them, killboards.

E-Uni tax is 0.1%, and taxes dont apply to mining, market trading and such. Your average high sec based, NON war deccing, low sec pvp corp, maybe 10%, once again only applies to missions and such. Less then one week of training and once or twice a week participation as t1 tackle, and most would be cool about your mining activities, and be there to back you up, hell some would probably join you. Most have ship reimbursement programs too. Remember, I said MULTI-player.

About outnumbering you 10/1... with your average 50 person corp, thats not usually going to happen. you guessed it... MULTI player.

about ganking, they operate usually in small 2-5 man groups, not 9000. Story: was going through my alt corp contacts and found Feyd, that guy on page two the wants to kill you and **** your corpse, already marked as neutral. You see, I pay attention to people in local, auto mark any pirate types negative, and suspected pirates, and suspected alt scouts as neutral, so that I can avoid them. a venture slides up to my retriever 'to mine', im gone. solo semi afk mining on the other puter, and dont get ganked because I pay attention to local. Intel: you can learn a lot about corps and people by looking at their info sheets and security status. Ive got all the locals color coded. unknowns are evaluated and treated with suspicion. true miners, i make friends with.

this thread became a no read by CCP a long time ago when people including you started to rant and repeat yourselves. Only reason Im still here, I just want to help you.

Done it long ago. They were set to - standings long before their first war dec came my way, because I knew they're on campaing to grief everyone in eve and our turn to be decced would come, because marmite is out there to dec everyone who's got less people than they got to ensure riskless peeveepeepeepeepeepee.
What I figured out though is that there is no difference between them and any other random hisec griefer (I can't use term pvp on people who got less than 1% of combat ships on their killboard) corps. Both go for whatever has no chance of fighting back, because war dec is no risk infinite reward action.


My respect towards e-uni fades with every post you give. I've been around more than a few years, you know. And I know e-uni actually has bazillion of rules and is extremely likely to not let you undock in mining vessel should a war target be spotted anywhere within 15 jumps from your mining location.


The overwhelming majority of corps in eve is of "me and my alts corp" variety, because corp is the only reasonable way of tracking assets between your own alts. A mining/indy corp of 50 accounts never has more than 15-20 actual players, more likely 10, due to the stupid fact that industry takes too many different skills to be trained on one account within lifetime. Some of those are cross-trained as half-assed mining barge pilots, leading some elite peeveepeeers into believing those are actually the worst players of eve, dreaded afk mining carebears of playing the game by not playing the game, while in reality it's the trading/refining/research/manufacturing alt with nothing else to do at the moment, and it's physically impossible to get it into pvp ship and fight with it.
So no, average corp is 2-5 persons, and far from 50. 50 is extra huge.


Gankers operate in a fleet an order of magnitude greater than yours. If they see you alone, 5, although barely, qualifies for an order of magnitude. Should you mine with 10, they'll come with 50-100, no less. Because 25 would put them at unacceptable risk of losing a few ships, so if they got only 25, they're likely to leave you alone.
Regarding color coding, see my reply to the first paragraph. I've done my homework on it, which is a reason I've got only one PvP losses despite all wars I've been through.


I don't see how killing my respect to e-uni would help any of us.

U might just be the only miner that doesnt realise that hes in a competitive environment. U definitely have illusions of grandure and knowledge. Because I know how to defend myself means ive never mined in my eve career? Please. U hurt urself with that pathetic attempt more than me.

U still haven't explained how being an attacker in a wardec itself gives u an advantage. Every advantage uve come up with thus far tells me that the ppl wardeccing are more prepared, more experienced, more willing to work together and other reasons that are independant of being an attacker in a wardec. there are no advantages of being the aggressor other than choosing ur target before they bring in unlimited allies. Ask urself, does a mining corp automatically get an advantage if it is the aggressor against faild? No of course not.

If ur trying to say those that are more prepared, more experienced and more capable are more likely to be the ones to declare war, then id agree with u. The intelligent and strong will always prey on the dumb and weak. Its up to the defender to counter that by not being dumb and weak. Such is the nature and beauty of the sandbox.

Just because u dnt want to take the options of: joining a more knowledgeable alliance, hiring mercs or leaving corp, does not mean they are not viable solutions. They are.

And the common phenomenon of decs without kills does not mean that wardecs are not fightable. It merely suggests that corps have decided to dock up for a week because they themselves feel they cant fight, dont want to fight. And this could be because there are an overwhelming amount of inexperienced and small corps in hi sec formed by inexperienced ceos who'd rather start his own corp than join with a larger more experienced corp. Such corps are easy targets for obvious reasons. And so they should be. Blind leading the blind.

After flying with e uni, I can say they give u warnings during decs but say u can mine if u watch local. But they all still say its better if u fleet up with a frig or sumin. I share the exact sentiments.