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Griefing CCP - Bounties for E-Uni Ganking
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Xolani1990
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#161 - 2011-11-18 05:45:04 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Dunbar Hulan wrote:
Does Eve Uni ever fly into Derelik or Curse? Can't be bothered going to far afield to look for them.
I'll take the job for zip, I'll do it just for the lulz

Depends, last I heard there were guys leading null-sec/low-sec roams. It changes with the turnover of pilots. I've seen them everywhere (sooner or later) - Not sure about recent events.


We used to roam Curse and Great Wildlands all the time, it's what made the founding members of Ponywaffe develop a love for nullsec in the first place.

E-UNI rules allow anyone to lead a fleet, anytime. The rules are actually fairly straight-forward in summary despite there being a rather long rules of engagement page, you can roam all of hisec and lowsec (where they're NRDS), all of WH space, and any NPC nullsec that isn't accessible only through sov null (where they're NBSI). What people do with those rules is down to the volition of individual FCs, who are just regular students and graduates in the corp who volunteer to take them out.
Xolani1990
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#162 - 2011-11-18 05:51:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Xolani1990
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Emily Poast wrote:
The old 'learning curve' picture is true. Places like EUNI encourage new players to stay. I have never seen statistics on it, but I am certain that the % of new solo people who quit eve after a month is gigantic.

That is true. I've said as much. If EVE University were purely a teaching corp, there'd be no problem. But ~1000 of their members have no role in teaching or being taught. They are simply industrial carebears who should create their own corporations.


How would you know this? Until the middle of this year I was a (relatively) senior member of staff on the HR Department for the corporation, and I know exactly what the typical volume of recruitment and student turnover is, and your statement of 1000 members of the corp not being there to learn is totally wrong. I do believe there are people in the corp who really do need to move on and let the corp focus on its goals (they usually get moved on by the directors when they start getting vocal about wanting the corp to move towards their own non-teaching objectives - just like you did), but to put that figure at 1000 (2/3 of the corp) is extremely inflated. A non-conservative estimate would be closer to a couple of dozen.
Written Word
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#163 - 2011-11-18 09:18:11 UTC
Why won't Poetic explain exactly why he can't kill the big bad evil care bears by himself?

Plus, I don't think pointlessly crying and whining about something in lieu of taking charge to change something is really helping your "Anti Eve Uni" platform.
Darian Reymont
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#164 - 2011-11-18 10:03:39 UTC
Hey guys,

First of all, many thanks to our alumni for coming to our defence in a thread containing a lot of misinformation and fabrication. I've been hesitant to post here, but I may as well issue some corrections on a few of the claims made about us in the thread:

  • "E-UNI is a carebear corp" - I'm not sure what this actually refers to, as E-UNI as a group has no particular game focus outside of training. We teach all aspects of the game available to us, from mission running and mining to scamming and piracy. It's up to individual students to decide what they want to learn about. Could it be argued that we have more PvE focused students than PvP? Possibly, though I'm not sure why that matters. EVE is a sandbox and we support all approaches to it.
  • "E-UNI is primarily made up of 1+ year old pilots" - I know where this has come from, of course, as it is a constant claim made by Poetic in the hopes of hurting our reputation. It is unfortunate that people have chosen to believe it, given that Poetic has yet to share any evidence that proves his claims. The University accepts members of all ages, but our recruitment is almost entirely focused on new pilots, just as it has always been.
  • "E-UNI wants to remove PvP from high-sec" - Another untruth. People seem to mistake the fact that we have pushed for wardec reforms to mean that we want war removed entirely, which couldn't be further from the truth. We want a wardec system that promotes more and better quality PvP in high sec. The recent GM policy changes had nothing to do with us. I don't even like them.
  • "E-UNI is favoured by CCP" - A difficult thing to measure. Have CCP made changes to EVE to help us? I don't know, as they've never approached us about such things. CCP respects E-UNI as they do any other corp who is as large, organised or long-lasting as ours, but we have very little sway over their decision making. My view is that, at best, we're little more than a source of feedback for them.

I fully understand and appreciate that some people do not like us or how we operate, I just hope you're basing your opinions on factual information. We're far from perfect, but we're also far from the picture being painted of us as a corp dedicated to high sec industry and mission running for year old pilots. We're just a corp that wants to train people.

Getting back on topic. the idea behind this thread is fine with me. We teach our students about suicide ganking and this "event" should provide some much needed practical experience.

Cheers. Smile

Former E-UNI Director, station pilot and snoob. https://twitter.com//DarianReymont
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#165 - 2011-11-18 12:25:26 UTC
Darian Reymont wrote:

Director of Human Resources
EVE University

So, how does it feel to be a tool of the EVIL Khelduum!?! Lol

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Killstealing
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#166 - 2011-11-18 17:50:14 UTC
chainsmoking errry daaaay
Juicy Chanlin
Doomheim
#167 - 2011-11-18 18:42:26 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Darian Reymont wrote:

Director of Human Resources
EVE University

So, how does it feel to be a tool of the EVIL Khelduum!?! Lol



ROFL!!!!!!
Dervinus
LowKey Ops
Shadow Cartel
#168 - 2011-11-18 19:08:14 UTC
Is Eve-Uni awesome for training newbies of all types about Eve?

Yes

Are there a good number of older players, many who have been in the Uni for more than 1 year who may not have roles but are active and seek to lead operations and help new players?

Yes

Are there people in the Eve-Uni who have been in for way too long and should leave beause they do not contribute to it and are just overgrown highsec carebears?

Yes (A lot more than "a few dozen")

Should we Care?

Not really. The vast majority of Eve Uni students will move onto other things whether that be 0.0, Piracy, Wormholes, Highsec Indy etc.. Those who stick around because they are too risk averse, change averse, or just like the community of the Uni do so. No real way to stop them, so no real reason to complain. The Uni has an open door policy which serves to keep a good flow of freshly trained players going out and experienced players coming in to groom the newbies. In my opinion there are a lot of people in the Uni who have outgrown it and should move on but dont do so for whatever reason. I wouldnt force them out though, because if they just once a month take one newbie out on a roam or a mission or mining, they could potentially inspire that person to continue playing the game and aspire for bigger things. And that is what the Uni, and the game, is all about.

o7 toonies
ShipToaster
#169 - 2011-11-18 19:55:57 UTC
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14629633
Mackinaw : 15 million ISK
x2

Paid 30 million.

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Killstealing
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#170 - 2011-11-18 21:11:08 UTC
shoooot bluuuues erry daaay
Earl oSatrun
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
#171 - 2011-11-18 22:29:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Earl oSatrun
bah, post in haste and repent at leisure.

I was going to be snarky and rude. But others have done a far better job of it than I did.

anyhow, hope the gank-fest is fun for the unistas and the gankers. I don't notice that there's all that many people getting ganked, so I'm not sure if the campaign is going well. Perhaps if the op would be so kind as to link a killboard that has the kills listed on it. Thanks

As for the drama llama, it's long past the time when you should have biomassed that toon.
glepp
New Caldari Bureau of Investigation
#172 - 2011-11-18 23:24:11 UTC
In This Thread:

"Hey, wanna suicide gank E-Uni? I'll pay you for it"
"Challenge accepted, here's a director corpse, gief moneys pls"
"E-Uni are evil nasty carebears and they must change their ways because it's not how i want them to play the game"
"E-Uni are evil nasty carebears and they must change their ways because it's not how i want them to play the game"
"E-Uni are evil nasty carebears and they must change their ways because it's not how i want them to play the game"
"E-Uni are evil nasty carebears and they must change their ways because it's not how i want them to play the game"
"E-Uni are evil nasty carebears and they must change their ways because it's not how i want them to play the game"
"E-Uni are evil nasty carebears and they must change their ways because it's not how i want them to play the game"
"E-Uni are evil nasty carebears and they must change their ways because it's not how i want them to play the game"
"E-Uni are evil nasty carebears and they must change their ways because it's not how i want them to play the game"
"E-Uni are evil nasty carebears and they must change their ways because it's not how i want them to play the game"
"E-Uni are evil nasty carebears and they must change their ways because it's not how i want them to play the game"
"E-Uni are evil nasty carebears and they must change their ways because it's not how i want them to play the game"
"E-Uni are evil nasty carebears and they must change their ways because it's not how i want them to play the game"
"E-Uni are evil nasty carebears and they must change their ways because it's not how i want them to play the game"
"E-Uni are evil nasty carebears and they must change their ways because it's not how i want them to play the game"
"E-Uni are evil nasty carebears and they must change their ways because it's not how i want them to play the game"
"E-Uni are evil nasty carebears and they must change their ways because it's not how i want them to play the game"


Yeah, E-Uni retains more PvE'ers than PvP'ers because there are more fun places to PvP in Eve than highsec. booo effing hooo.

Some of our best pvpers and FCs are ex-unistas. They learned some useful stuff there, wanted more action and moved on.
Other people stayed behind because they liked it and a lot of them help run the corp. Big deal.

People play eve the way they want to because they can. Get over it.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#173 - 2011-11-18 23:31:15 UTC
glepp wrote:
In This Thread:

Yeah, E-Uni retains more PvE'ers than PvP'ers because there are more fun places to PvP in Eve than highsec. booo effing hooo.

Some of our best pvpers and FCs are ex-unistas. They learned some useful stuff there, wanted more action and moved on.
Other people stayed behind because they liked it and a lot of them help run the corp. Big deal.

People play eve the way they want to because they can. Get over it.

HI DERE! Long time no see! (you still need to fix your eyes - jesus, we got CLONES!)


You must be one of those people that don't exist! E-Uni grads who PVP! Well, according to the dolts in this thread, we don't exist....

Better check to see if your really there...

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
ShipToaster
#174 - 2011-11-18 23:33:32 UTC
@Darian Reymont: need to check a few facts but will definitely deal with you tomorrow.

Earl oSatrun wrote:
I was going to be snarky and rude.

This is C&P snarky and rude is welcomed and enjoyed by all here.

Earl oSatrun wrote:
I don't notice that there's all that many people getting ganked, so I'm not sure if the campaign is going well. Perhaps if the op would be so kind as to link a killboard that has the kills listed on it.

Not many gankees at all. As for killboards, not my thing. Feel free to set one up and mock me with the lack of activity on it. Lol

glepp wrote:
Yet more whining ****

Yet another no-mark posting here.

50% bonus for next five ganks on this list starts now so hopefully this will get a few more. I am going to call this the "glepp 50% bonus for next five kills" in your honour.

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ShipToaster
#175 - 2011-11-18 23:37:57 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
You must be one of those people that don't exist! E-Uni grads who PVP! Well, according to the dolts in this thread, we don't exist....


I think you are a little mistaken as to what is going on in this thread. Sadly this seems to be the norm for former EVE University members in this thread.

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glepp
New Caldari Bureau of Investigation
#176 - 2011-11-18 23:39:07 UTC
oh shush Toaster, we weren't really talking about you at all.
Harlot Hohannson
Eye on Wang Poo
#177 - 2011-11-19 00:23:36 UTC
CCP dont give a flyingfuck about what you do to EVE uni, and alt posting about how butthurt you are about blog comments from months ago just makes you look pathetic.
ShipToaster
#178 - 2011-11-19 01:35:53 UTC
Harlot Hohannson wrote:
CCP dont give a flyingfuck about what you do to EVE uni, and alt posting about how butthurt you are about blog comments from months ago just makes you look pathetic.


Ok. Thanks for that. I will immediately stop this.

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ShipToaster
#179 - 2011-11-19 17:48:00 UTC
Darian Reymont wrote:
"E-UNI is a carebear corp" - I'm not sure what this actually refers to, as E-UNI as a group has no particular game focus outside of training. We teach all aspects of the game available to us, from mission running and mining to scamming and piracy. It's up to individual students to decide what they want to learn about. Could it be argued that we have more PvE focused students than PvP? Possibly, though I'm not sure why that matters. EVE is a sandbox and we support all approaches to it.


What this means is that the focus of pilots in eve university has moved from being trained to living in a high sec effective safe haven. No one has ever said you dont train new pilots, but I will come back to this, but we outsiders can only look at the evidence put before us. The teaching of basics to new pilots is no longer the primary focus of your alliance as pilots around the one year old stage in EVE will have long since mastered the basics of EVE (or your teaching strategy is seriously flawed).

Darian Reymont wrote:
"E-UNI is primarily made up of 1+ year old pilots" - I know where this has come from, of course, as it is a constant claim made by Poetic in the hopes of hurting our reputation. It is unfortunate that people have chosen to believe it, given that Poetic has yet to share any evidence that proves his claims. The University accepts members of all ages, but our recruitment is almost entirely focused on new pilots, just as it has always been.


You are wrong here as it is false to claim that PS brought this up as it was me after I started reading your forum dump and saw a post from early last year about how your members average age had jumped to over ten months old and was continuing to increase. I dont think anyone ever claimed you were made up of "1+ year old pilots" but at the current rate of age increase you should reach an average pilot age of over one year old around the start of March next year.

What was said by me is that the average age of pilots was fast approaching one year old and this, in a corp that claims to be primarily for teaching noobs, made the EVE University is a noob training corp myth more of an actual lie. I did ask both PS and KR to post the precise figure and the calculating methodology for public scrutiny as they both said they could do so but neither of them did. EVE University had a fair chance to show (or disprove PS) that they were not mostly composed of non-noob pilots but has failed to do so.

PS did shoot down Xolani1990's earlier claim in this thread that you could not find more than 20 pilots in EVE University who were more than a year old and not in positions of authority. He found thirty seven out of a hundred were. A few posts back this Xolani1990 guy made another claim, citing his personal experience and not evidence this time, but until you can explain what an almost one year old player still has to learn regarding the basics of EVE then there is only one conclusion to be reached: not a noob corp, not a teaching corp, what is left is carebear.

The evidence is what is hurting your reputation, not claims made by any individual. Noob training corp, honest, neutral, have all been shown recently to be false. The neutrality was lost when you went to aid Chribba against a corp who had attacked him, none of your business if you were neutral. I was surprised PS never picked up on this point.

Is there anything about your pre-KR vision of EVE university that remains true?

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ShipToaster
#180 - 2011-11-19 17:56:52 UTC  |  Edited by: ShipToaster
reserved

Still waiting to get a necessary source image.

final two parts posted

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