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RAW Materials 30bil Bond (closing)
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RAW23
#1 - 2014-02-19 18:04:30 UTC  |  Edited by: RAW23
I am issuing bonds to the value of 10 billion isk (see note below for total public exposure) to provide capital for a station trading operation. The interest rate will be 4% per month and the length of the bond will be three months with an option to renew by mutual consent. Interest will be paid on the 19th of each month. This will be an uncollateralised investment. Background on my previous activities can be found here.

The plan is to continue trading in Jita, after the pattern of my last bond, with a single character who has nearly maxxed out trade skills and extremely high standings (Caldari Navy and Caldari state both above 9).

My aim is c. 15bil profit per month.

Investors:
Nightjester - 9bil
Taram Caldar - 1bil

A little note of explanation on the bond size and why it is already filled

I had initially intended this to be a 50bil bond and I emailed some previous investors who hadn't had the chance to get in on my last bond in order to give them priority. One of them offered me a private 40bil loan at 0% and the others filled the remaining 10bil. So, despite only issuing 10bil in bonds my current liability is 50bil.

Since this filled so quickly and in a slightly unexpected way I may offer a further 20bil expansion in a few weeks so that other investors can get in on the action. The expansion will be in order to do some industrial stuff alongside the trading if it turns out that I have enough time. In the event of going ahead with the expansion previous investors will be given priority and there will be a cap of 4bil per person to allow a few more people to get involved.

Expansion Reservations:
Nightjester - 4bil
Taram Caldar - 4bil
Kithran - 4bil
VV - 4bil
Mr JLB Maketoni - 4bil

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Blueprint Seller
Bring Me Sunshine
#2 - 2014-02-19 18:12:56 UTC
Put me down for the expansion.
Mr JLB Matekoni
Doomheim
#3 - 2014-02-19 18:17:07 UTC
I would like to take 4B in the expansion if/when it occurs.
RAW23
#4 - 2014-02-19 18:17:15 UTC
Blueprint Seller wrote:
Put me down for the expansion.


Will do. For the maximum amount?

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Blueprint Seller
Bring Me Sunshine
#5 - 2014-02-19 18:19:53 UTC
Obviously :)
RAW23
#6 - 2014-02-19 18:20:24 UTC  |  Edited by: RAW23
Mr JLB Matekoni wrote:
I would like to take 4B in the expansion if/when it occurs.


Rgr. I'm afraid that if more previous investors come along it might bump you off the list though. Apologies in advance if that happens.

Edit - I should add that Taram and Nightjester are provisional at this point so it is also possible that their slots might get freed up depending on their situation at time of launch.

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Grendell
Technologies Unlimited
#7 - 2014-02-19 18:30:00 UTC
Will take the full 10b if available.

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merlin westfield
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-02-19 18:53:29 UTC
Hi there I'd like to reserve a 4 bill slot if one becomes available. many thanks
RAW23
#9 - 2014-02-19 20:11:05 UTC
Sorry Grendell but only 4bil slots available for the possible expansion Cry I'll reserve one for you; just let me know if it's too small to waste your time on. And I promise I will save you a decent slice of the next bond!

Merlin - Thanks for the interest. I'll put you on the reserve list as there aren't any free slots at the mo but some might open up before it goes live.

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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2014-02-19 22:19:51 UTC
It is oddly reassuring to see how despite all the lessons people claim to have learned over the years and despite all the grand posturing in response to low value loan requests MD has not changed one bit at heart.

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RAW23
#11 - 2014-02-19 23:20:46 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
It is oddly reassuring to see how despite all the lessons people claim to have learned over the years and despite all the grand posturing in response to low value loan requests MD has not changed one bit at heart.


I welcome any questions, concerns or criticisms that you might have Vera.

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Droodid
Antec Enterprises
#12 - 2014-02-20 00:19:42 UTC
I'll take 4b if any of the expansion guys drop out.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#13 - 2014-02-20 00:31:43 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
It is oddly reassuring to see how despite all the lessons people claim to have learned over the years and despite all the grand posturing in response to low value loan requests MD has not changed one bit at heart.


I'd be fairly surprised if RAW23 cashed out his reputation for only 30 billion ISK.

He could get a lot more if he decided to pull a Bad Bobby.

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RAW23
#14 - 2014-02-20 01:31:57 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Vera Algaert wrote:
It is oddly reassuring to see how despite all the lessons people claim to have learned over the years and despite all the grand posturing in response to low value loan requests MD has not changed one bit at heart.


I'd be fairly surprised if RAW23 cashed out his reputation for only 30 billion ISK.

He could get a lot more if he decided to pull a Bad Bobby.


If I decide to go forward with the expansion (which will depend on how much free time I have once I have ramped up the trading) my total liability will actually be 70bil rather than 30bil, since I also have a 40bil loan from another source (as mentioned in the OP). However, 70bil is still considerably less than the highest level my liabilities reached a couple of years ago.

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#15 - 2014-02-20 01:34:12 UTC
RAW23 wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Vera Algaert wrote:
It is oddly reassuring to see how despite all the lessons people claim to have learned over the years and despite all the grand posturing in response to low value loan requests MD has not changed one bit at heart.


I'd be fairly surprised if RAW23 cashed out his reputation for only 30 billion ISK.

He could get a lot more if he decided to pull a Bad Bobby.


If I decide to go forward with the expansion (which will depend on how much free time I have once I have ramped up the trading) my total liability will actually be 70bil rather than 30bil, since I also have a 40bil loan from another source (as mentioned in the OP). However, 70bil is still considerably less than the highest level my liabilities reached a couple of years ago.



True.

I couldn't see you cutting and running for under a quarter trillion.

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Rykker Bow
Center for Advanced Studies
#16 - 2014-02-20 01:41:50 UTC
To some, and I consider RAW to be one of these people, a reputation of trustworthiness is worth more than all the isk in the game.

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RAW23
#17 - 2014-02-20 01:42:02 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
RAW23 wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Vera Algaert wrote:
It is oddly reassuring to see how despite all the lessons people claim to have learned over the years and despite all the grand posturing in response to low value loan requests MD has not changed one bit at heart.


I'd be fairly surprised if RAW23 cashed out his reputation for only 30 billion ISK.

He could get a lot more if he decided to pull a Bad Bobby.


If I decide to go forward with the expansion (which will depend on how much free time I have once I have ramped up the trading) my total liability will actually be 70bil rather than 30bil, since I also have a 40bil loan from another source (as mentioned in the OP). However, 70bil is still considerably less than the highest level my liabilities reached a couple of years ago.



True.

I couldn't see you cutting and running for under a quarter trillion.


I've given away more than that, so for a long con to actually leave me with an overall positive balance I would probably need a haul of closer to a trillion Blink

I actually said a while back that I would never borrow more than 100bil because I have always felt that the bigger offerings are bad for the investment market and encourage irresponsible behaviour. I might revisit that figure one day in the light of PLEX inflation but I don't see it happening any time soon.

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#18 - 2014-02-20 02:46:07 UTC
RAW23 wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
RAW23 wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Vera Algaert wrote:
It is oddly reassuring to see how despite all the lessons people claim to have learned over the years and despite all the grand posturing in response to low value loan requests MD has not changed one bit at heart.


I'd be fairly surprised if RAW23 cashed out his reputation for only 30 billion ISK.

He could get a lot more if he decided to pull a Bad Bobby.


If I decide to go forward with the expansion (which will depend on how much free time I have once I have ramped up the trading) my total liability will actually be 70bil rather than 30bil, since I also have a 40bil loan from another source (as mentioned in the OP). However, 70bil is still considerably less than the highest level my liabilities reached a couple of years ago.



True.

I couldn't see you cutting and running for under a quarter trillion.


I've given away more than that, so for a long con to actually leave me with an overall positive balance I would probably need a haul of closer to a trillion Blink

I actually said a while back that I would never borrow more than 100bil because I have always felt that the bigger offerings are bad for the investment market and encourage irresponsible behaviour. I might revisit that figure one day in the light of PLEX inflation but I don't see it happening any time soon.



Bad Bobby got about a trillion didn't he?

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RAW23
#19 - 2014-02-20 03:06:26 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:



Bad Bobby got about a trillion didn't he?


c. 800 billion was his claim iirc. T4U was something like 450 bil but where the rest came from is a bit muddier. That's assuming he was telling the truth, though! He has been known to be somewhat dishonest on occasion.

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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#20 - 2014-02-20 08:06:01 UTC
RAW23 wrote:
He has been known to be somewhat dishonest on occasion.
Slanderous!
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