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Does Eve need new players?

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#81 - 2014-02-19 13:46:53 UTC
mbiz schnitzel wrote:
Im a new player. Only thing that annoyed me was getting a bit lost on what to do after finishing the sis of eve arc. All good now though. If the game was made softer for new people Id be less interested. Every game these days holds your hand and gives you a reach around too. No thanks.

Veterans should have an unfair power advantage. Thats what makes RPGs cool. And noobs have an super functional role by learning frigates for fleets.


This, ladies and gentlebeings, is an EVE player.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#82 - 2014-02-19 13:48:37 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:

* Starting off with 55,000 skillpoints vs players like Infinity Ziona, a 2003 character, who might have in excess of 200,000,000.


See, this is why you're so confused. I'll bet you right now, every last isk I have, that I know players who started in 2012 and 2013 on fresh toons that could beat your ~200mil SP toon in a 1v1.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Pew Terror
All of it
#83 - 2014-02-19 14:08:12 UTC
2 things are needed to attract more new players:

-Starting off with more SP, either through much more powerful "Celebral Accelerators" or just plain old unassigned SP. 10mil SP is about the point where you can actually play EvE. (I am relatively new and personally hardly played at all in the first months because the difference in combat effectiveness is on a "not even funny" level. Its fine to be a newbro and only able to fly very few select ships at 80-90% efficiency, but flying at 70% and below you might as well stay docked, even in cheap tackle).

-Getting people in corps quicker. This is a community thing guys. Peeps like the good guys from RvB is what saves the new player experience. The first time you jump into lowsec in a frigate there should be a popup stating: "Hey there! I see you like to get blown up in your shiny spaceship. Why dont you turn around, apply to the good chaps of RvB and learn how to fly in fleets and most importantly learn that spaceships are to be considered gone as soon as you press undock."
Uma D
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#84 - 2014-02-19 14:10:28 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:


Why would anyone join to be honest? Its not the EVE that CCP developed in 2003.


The usual nonsense of Ziona...

Once again all you achieve is making me think that you bought your character and have not really been arround in 2003.

Yes EvE is not the same as in 2003, but unlike what you seem to be claiming it is a lot easier for players to get into the game, which you would actually know if you would have played back in those days.

Let me just mention a few things:

- New players get lots of free stuff from tutorial missions which players back in 2003 (given they would have existed) would have had to grind for over several days.
- New players have the advantage that they can learn a lot from old players while the people who played back then had to figure it out all on their own.
- Getting scammed is a lot harder unless you are unable to read. (Everyone who knows the old escrow knows what i mean).
- New players can make a lot more ISK and a lot faster these days, which makes ship losses a lot easier to replace.
- High sec is a lot safer than it used to be back in 2003.
- No more need for learning skills + higher base attributes + attribute remapping -> faster skill training for new players.
- Attribute enhancers are a lot easier to afford for new players -> faster skill training for new players.
- Ships are balanced a lot better these days (but of course in your book getting rid of fotm ships and iwin buttons is a bad thing) - does affect pretty much all players, including new players.

That is just a few things which I can quickly can up with which makes the life a lot easier for new players. Yet you run around and claim EvE was better back in 2003.

Which surely depends on the perspective. For people who liked a really harsh game where every single loss could actually hurt, yes for those EvE was better. For new players (the players this thread is about) it was by far worse than it is today.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#85 - 2014-02-19 14:29:51 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

* Starting off with 55,000 skillpoints vs players like Infinity Ziona, a 2003 character, who might have in excess of 200,000,000.


See, this is why you're so confused. I'll bet you right now, every last isk I have, that I know players who started in 2012 and 2013 on fresh toons that could beat your ~200mil SP toon in a 1v1.

you know it
i know it
99.9% of Eve players know it

new player doesn't know it.

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#86 - 2014-02-19 15:15:24 UTC
Its like this whole thread exists in some alternate universe where Brave Newbies doesn't exist.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#87 - 2014-02-19 16:19:52 UTC
Uma D wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:


Why would anyone join to be honest? Its not the EVE that CCP developed in 2003.


The usual nonsense of Ziona...

Once again all you achieve is making me think that you bought your character and have not really been arround in 2003.



He admitted to it at one point, then edited it out of the post. I wish I had gotten a screencap.

It goes a long way to explain how old the character is, yet how they manage to have more massive gaps in their knowledge of the game than even me, who was unsubbed for years. When I resubbed I literally did not know what PI was, and even I am less outstandingly ignorant than Infinity Ziona.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#88 - 2014-02-19 16:31:35 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
He admitted to it at one point, then edited it out of the post. I wish I had gotten a screencap.

i thought something was up but didn't figgur it out

is the post on eve-search? edits don't appear to get deleted there
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#89 - 2014-02-19 16:36:00 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
He admitted to it at one point, then edited it out of the post. I wish I had gotten a screencap.

i thought something was up but didn't figgur it out

is the post on eve-search? edits don't appear to get deleted there


I am sure I have no idea. Eve search trips one of my antivirus something or others, so I haven't been on there in a while.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#90 - 2014-02-19 16:39:15 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Uma D wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:


Why would anyone join to be honest? Its not the EVE that CCP developed in 2003.


The usual nonsense of Ziona...

Once again all you achieve is making me think that you bought your character and have not really been arround in 2003.



He admitted to it at one point, then edited it out of the post. I wish I had gotten a screencap.

It goes a long way to explain how old the character is, yet how they manage to have more massive gaps in their knowledge of the game than even me, who was unsubbed for years. When I resubbed I literally did not know what PI was, and even I am less outstandingly ignorant than Infinity Ziona.


You mean, like a "2003" character who once told me he was ratting serps before I was "born" not knowing how much kinetic damage serps do? Twisted
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#91 - 2014-02-19 16:41:27 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Uma D wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:


Why would anyone join to be honest? Its not the EVE that CCP developed in 2003.


The usual nonsense of Ziona...

Once again all you achieve is making me think that you bought your character and have not really been arround in 2003.



He admitted to it at one point, then edited it out of the post. I wish I had gotten a screencap.

It goes a long way to explain how old the character is, yet how they manage to have more massive gaps in their knowledge of the game than even me, who was unsubbed for years. When I resubbed I literally did not know what PI was, and even I am less outstandingly ignorant than Infinity Ziona.


You mean, like a "2003" character who once told me he was ratting serps before I was "born" not knowing how much kinetic damage serps do? Twisted


Well, I'll be damned. The logs don't show nothing.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#92 - 2014-02-19 17:04:58 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Uma D wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:


Why would anyone join to be honest? Its not the EVE that CCP developed in 2003.


The usual nonsense of Ziona...

Once again all you achieve is making me think that you bought your character and have not really been arround in 2003.



He admitted to it at one point, then edited it out of the post. I wish I had gotten a screencap.

It goes a long way to explain how old the character is, yet how they manage to have more massive gaps in their knowledge of the game than even me, who was unsubbed for years. When I resubbed I literally did not know what PI was, and even I am less outstandingly ignorant than Infinity Ziona.


You mean, like a "2003" character who once told me he was ratting serps before I was "born" not knowing how much kinetic damage serps do? Twisted


Well, I'll be damned. The logs don't show nothing.

LOL - Desperation is funny. Its very easy to find out if I'm the same player or not... simply look at my posts that go all the way back to 2003 :)

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#93 - 2014-02-19 17:22:02 UTC
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1092613

Stormwind Bloodfeather wrote:
You won't be missed. By anyone. Ever.

Jimer Lins wrote:
(Your arrogance and immaturity will not be missed any more than you will)

insufferable attention-seeking arse, fits the MO
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#94 - 2014-02-19 17:46:04 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1092613

Stormwind Bloodfeather wrote:
You won't be missed. By anyone. Ever.

Jimer Lins wrote:
(Your arrogance and immaturity will not be missed any more than you will)

insufferable attention-seeking arse, fits the MO


Idk, that kind of ragequit is the prelude to a character sale if I've ever seen one.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#95 - 2014-02-19 18:27:46 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

* Starting off with 55,000 skillpoints vs players like Infinity Ziona, a 2003 character, who might have in excess of 200,000,000.


See, this is why you're so confused. I'll bet you right now, every last isk I have, that I know players who started in 2012 and 2013 on fresh toons that could beat your ~200mil SP toon in a 1v1.



Primary the Archon
Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#96 - 2014-02-19 18:29:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Knights Armament
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Its like this whole thread exists in some alternate universe where Brave Newbies doesn't exist.


BNI is **** newbies are better off avoiding that trap.
Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#97 - 2014-02-19 19:00:50 UTC



I spent the entire month of January 04 mining omber in nonni and didn't get suicide ganked once, we had maybe 1 can flipper.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#98 - 2014-02-19 19:11:49 UTC
Not so much new players but any type of new account, be it new players or alts.
Tesco Ergo Sum
#99 - 2014-02-19 19:36:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Tesco Ergo Sum
Knights Armament wrote:
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Its like this whole thread exists in some alternate universe where Brave Newbies doesn't exist.


BNI is **** newbies are better off avoiding that trap.


I've had more fun with BNI in a few hours than in all my years in BlueSec...

The game would be in a sad state without them, it's good to see CCP make some changes for them rather than the usual suspects.
Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#100 - 2014-02-19 19:41:24 UTC
Tesco Ergo Sum wrote:
Knights Armament wrote:
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Its like this whole thread exists in some alternate universe where Brave Newbies doesn't exist.


BNI is **** newbies are better off avoiding that trap.


I've had more fun with BNI in a few hours than in all my years in BlueSec...

The game would be in a sad state without them, it's good to see CCP make some changes for them rather than the usual suspects.



BNI has way too many rules which alienate a large part of the EvE population, the fleets are made up of spy alts who jump you into their friends to be slaughtered. I guess that can be fun.