EVE General Discussion

One might think that but I have 98m skill points. I often fly a brawling neut tristin in few plexs. Sometimes a newish toon. Under 5m will snag me with range and a MWD. He will die because his fit wasn't fast enough and he didn't take out my drones or think or know how to leave before my drones eat him up

Other newish pilots kill my drones and move fast enough they don't hit well and then I slowly die unless friends come

In both cases I could give another 50 mill sp to them. It wouldn't help either. Its about knowing your ship. And your targets ship.

And the 50% more DPS, quicker lock time, armor - shield - structure hit points, t-2 modules, cap, cap recharge, agility, speed, etc... that comes with the 50K more skill points.

I love how it seems no one cares what the new guy thinks. Well, here's a no bull-*****, actual new guy. Yes, me.

I wanted to start the game with exploration. This was just as Rubicon hit, as they were running the advertisements for exploration. So I made a minmatar character (Because, dude, they have GUNS! and ARTY!), got in a probe, and scanned down everything in those tutorial missions - which, honestly, helped a lot. Then I left the system and started scanning. So yeah, as a 2 day old character, I discovered a wormhole. And went through.

And with considerably less fear than I had any reason to have, I bookmarked everything not in sight of player structures in that wormhole. And after warping around like it was cool, I came back with a venture. And mined a ventureload of arkonor. So I took that went back into hi-sec, and for a two day old character felt rich. So I got a miasmos, fitted it with a mining laser, and went back. And promptly got blown to bits by something I didn't even know the name of. But hey, It was BIG! and it looked COOL! So I ejected out of my miasmos and warped off in a capsule (Yes, the ganker was so intent on killing the miasmos, he missed the fact I ejected and warped out - and then proceded to eve mail me a hurt feelings report, despite not even getting my pod).

So then I took my trusty probe out again and found a new wormhole, because those guys were "jerks"(Look, i had no idea about nuets or standings or even sov wars yet, so I just thought that guy was an *******). So I went and met sleepers. In a probe. You can guess how that went. Fortunately, sleepers dont pod you(Good job CCP!) I guess this must have been a c1 wormhole, because I came back with my big, bad trasher (And a HORRIBLE t1 arty fit) and proceded to actually slowly take out some sleepers around a data site with hit & run tactics(warp in, salvo, reload, salvo, warp out). I couldn't handle all of them or for very long, but I was picking them off slowly. Then I realized I couldn't even break some tanks on the second wave, so I gave up. I went back to high sec, and bought another probe(Further proving my head has been rendered mostly useless, and it is best used in place of a battering ram) and ended up running all across the damn galaxy in under a week.

Whats the point? The point is that in two days, I went out into a WH, experienced WH mining, PVP, PVE, and lost multiple ships in my first week. Now this character belongs to a nullsec corp, has no idea what he wants to do long term, but it still having a blast. I got ganked, scammed(Just way overpaid for stupid stuff, never tried to double my isk), lost multiple ships, but still was having a blast. If someone is stepping on you where you are, move. Yes, you aren't going to be able to take down experienced players off the get-go. They've learned something more, they're invested something more, and have more connections than you do. THEY SHOULD WIN.
But you have something they don't - no roots, no ties, and seriously, almost nothing to lose.
In any conflict, you have to use what you have to your advantage asymmetrically to the enemies capabilities. If you and your hi-sec carebear buddies got a few probes, sold off everything you had, and found a 5-jump WH chain to the other side of new eden, do you really think this massive griefer alliance is REALLY go to go all the way across highsec for your small corp? No. Of course not.

I apologize for the wall of text. For those who bother to read it, I hope you enjoy it. Eve has many things to offer, yes, even to new players. I was lucky to get scooped up quickly by a good corp. That being said, the most fun I had was doing stupid things solo where I had no business being.
And if you say TLDR, 1) no one asked what you did, and 2) you use your head almost as well as I do. That's not a compliment.

I've a 10 year old daughter who, next payday, will be starting to play and will make her own alter ego in the Eve universe. She's a new player. She'll be staying in Hi Sec for a while until she gets her space legs under her. She's young, so I don't want to immerse her in too much at once. She, too, will soon find that learning curve is steep, yet worth it. Being I'm starting all over again from scratch isn't an issue to me. I'm kind of excited by it.

Im a new player. Only thing that annoyed me was getting a bit lost on what to do after finishing the sis of eve arc. All good now though. If the game was made softer for new people Id be less interested. Every game these days holds your hand and gives you a reach around too. No thanks.

Veterans should have an unfair power advantage. Thats what makes RPGs cool. And noobs have an super functional role by learning frigates for fleets.

Are you getting new players or new accounts? I suspect that you have gained an increase in accounts, while the number of actual players has not increased at the same rate. In other words, more players now has two or more active accounts.

Has the average subscription time increased or decreased over the years? Do the new players stay, or do they leave earlier than they did before? How is the subscription time distributed?

Has the game hours spend during high sec wars increased since you changed the maximum number of concurrent war decs? How many players has war decced how many other players per week, and how has this ratio changed through the years?

Does high sec war influence the average subscription time of the accounts influenced by this game mechanic?


This thread and many others has very good advice when it comes to high sec war and how to adapt to them. Eran Mintor gave some good advice earlier, thanks for that, and Tippia is always there with excellent advice. Divine Entervention I'm just ignoring on purpose.

It is quite possible to adapt to a high sec war and even have some fun if the deccers are not too risk adverse and boring. It is however also indicative of the radical different environment a high sec war offers to the player. It is because it differs significantly from the high sec peace time, that the advice is needed and often repeated.

Let's be honest, a war can be extremely boring as it limits what you can do safely, and often times involves doing absolutely nothing. And that includes following the advice in this thread. The war environment is a lot of waiting and nothing, and then action in tiny explosive packets. The high sec industrial environment is completely different, with steady progression, the slow work of mining lasers, or the meticulous planning of manufacture. War is explosive, peace glacial.

As I said earlier, EVE was great cause it had such great balance between these kinds of game machanics, regardles of mindset there was something fun and rewarding to do.

Maybe we should have a war dec mechanic that can prohibit the war deccers from using their weapons for a week, and see how they like being denied their favorite game mechanics.


Could it be that the excellent advisors never really spend time or had interest in the cooporative side of high sec PVE side of the game? It will often be stated that EVE is a brutal and unfriendly place, where everyone is out to get everyone else. The high sec PVE, industrial corp is a very different place though. It is a place of cooporation and oftentimes altruism. I suspect that cooporation is equally present in the communities of griefers corps and pirates as well. In some ways it is the balance between these forces played out in EVE that presents such an attraction to me. Once again, balance is the key though.

The advice given on how to adapt to war is good. Yes, you can have good fun fighting a war. The problem is not so much the war in itself, but how much of a players game time will be devoted to this, compared to what the player wants to achieve in the game. EVE has one of, if not the best, crafting gameplay in the business. To manufacture in EVE involves handling complexities, and often requires building and using secondary tools like spreadsheets etc. For a tinkerer this is an amazing part of the game. It's even better when this can be done with other players. High Sec Wars limits the access to this part of the game for the very people that enjoy it the most.

The problem with war against these players is not the war itself, it's the extend of the wars. Every player is different, but there will be a point where there is too much adapting to war, and too little doing the tinkering.

The unlimited number of concurrent wars is a problem for several reasons. They do cost the agressor iskies to maintain. That just means that the wealthy is able to dictate the gaming environment for more players than the unwealthy. If the number of wars is limited, this influence is limited as well. Hopefully a limit to how many corps, or alternatively players can be war decced in high sec at the same time, would result in less undeserving agressions, and relatively more meaningful wars.

It is said that your actions in EVE should have consequences, but too often wars come not as a consequence of anything other than simply existing, and rarely do the war deccers recieve any consequences for the agression themselves.