EVE General Discussion

The beauty of the game is that every single player has choices and those choices have consequences.

It really isn't true that game mechanics should introduce barriers to player interaction, both good interaction and bad.

It's not for the game to do that. It's up to the players to do that.

I'll come back to my earlier question about your specific example, the leadership of this training corp consists of highly experienced and knowledgable players right?

If so, why aren't they taking a lead to teach their new members how to survive wardecs and make things tougher for the wardeccer?

If not, then the root cause of the problem isn't the wardec. It's the gap in knowledge and experience of the leadership of the corp. They should be protecting and educating the new players who have placed trust in them to teach them. If they aren't able to, then they are in the wrong positions.

It's obvious that you've long since round out of anything resembling an actual argument since you have to rely so heavily on straw men and ad hominems.

It's funny to see how you fail to negotiate without exaggeration. Either you are a troll or I'm typing in Chinese. In both cases, it's not my problem dude. Don't hate the player, hate the game and deal with it

If they were changed, EVE would be yet another pointless themepark clone that would die an ignominious death in 10 months. That hardly counts as more successful.

There's a reason why it has survived longer than most; catering to people who don't like the game isn't it. All the problems the OP presents are of his making by lying to and failing to teach and lead those new players.

Oh god.. where to start. Just in case this isn't a troll, sensible answer.

Everything in Eve is PvP, including the PvE. Mining provides resources, which are refined and used to produce ships and modules. Bounties provide isk, wrecks provide modules and salvage, all are used to trade on the market. Trading on the market is PvP, 99.9% of the market is player driven, ergo gathering resources and wealth used for trading is also a form of PvP.

TL;DR If you're competing with another player, be it for resources, trading, production slots, or pretty much anything else in Eve, it's PvP.

New players do not need to be bubble wrapped. The sooner they are shown the realities of the game, and given the chance to accept it, the sooner they can become real players.

LoL, I know, that was my suggestion, but they don't have that available.

My other main is in a corp that does a little bit of everything--mining, industry, missions, daytrips to low/null/wormholes, and PVP roams--and I don't think anyone there has more than 20m skillpoints; most pilots are under 10. Everyone has a day job, no one is expected to play more than they can or want to. And guess what: they have more fun than anyone has a right to playing this terrible Spreadsheets in Space game, largely because of two things: 1) they teach new players how to fly smart and not risk more than they're willing to lose, and 2) when they got their first wardec, the corp founders decided they would never ship-spin no matter what. When wardecs hit--and at one point they were hitting twice a month--they reship to Thoraxes and Arbitrators and Atrons and go looking for war targets. Sometimes they welp, occasionally they get kills, but they're always playing the game.

Sorry, but your position is nonsense. There's plenty of room for new players in this game and they don't need to be shielded from PVP. No, they can't solo in a mission-fit battlecruiser during a wardec, but guess what? Neither can anyone else. If you want to join a player corp you have to be willing to step into a true multiplayer environment, where other players can and will interact with you whether you want them to or not. This is not a design flaw in the game; it's a key selling point, and breaking that in the interest of building some kind of youngling playpen is a terrible idea. If you want to enjoy the advantages of being in a player-corp, you have to be prepared to roll with it when other players come to cut in on your game--and if you're leading a player-corp, you need to make sure your newbros understand how to do this, or you need to replace yourself with someone more capable.

Incidentally, if you do just want to play with a small group of friends without the threat of wardecs, there's absolutely nothing stopping you from doing it while still in NPC corps. You can set up a private chat channel, you can fleet up together, you can even get a TS server (or just use EVE voice). You won't get all the benefits of a corp and NPC corp taxes are painful (though I've noticed that hasn't stopped an awful lot of "new player friendly" highsec corps from charging 10% taxes too), but you can make isk and learn the game in a relatively safe environment if that's what you want.

Every game needs new players. EvE is no exception, the thing is, EvE is not your typical MMORPG.
If 'those' new players can't even get past the tutorial or the first hours, I'm not so sure that's the kind of players EvE needs, It's like a rite of passage, you pass it, then you enjoy the benefits, If you don't well, better luck next time or try again.

As I see it, its a conondrum, you need new players to keep the game alive but again, you need to be thick skinned to play this, If you fall down once and can't even shrug it off at least once, This game is not for you and you would be a fool to keep playing unless you like to torture yourself.

Simple suggestion. If you are under attack in high-sec, move to low-sec or into maybe even into WH space. If you are going to be losing ships anyway, you might as well do it where it's profitable. There's plenty of quiet low-sec systems.

It would be a good bit of new player training.