EVE General Discussion

Give new players a bump in skill training rate after six months of continuous sub.

Well, my feed-back is still based on my own experience coming back to EVE, and my knowledge of the existence of a couple of alliances and corporations having a large number of concurrent war decs.

That is hardly sufficient to confirm or even just support my claims in the feed-back, and I had hoped that you would provide more hard data to base the discussion on.

Still, it is good to at least know that both the number of players and accounts are increasing. If that is what you meant.

It is still not enough to determine if the war mechanics hurt the influx of new players though.

Do you know the answers to the questions you decided not to answer in my post?

What does one have to do with the other?
You know that griefing is a bannable offence, right?

His definition of griefing and CCPs definition of griefing appear to be polar opposites.

As someone who is actually classed as a carebear, the people you call griefers are just playing the game, as I am.

Just call them gankers and call what they ganking, since that's what you mean anyway.

The only reason you call them griefers is because it's a loaded word, without which your whinging is exposed as… well… whinging. You have to accuse them of doing something “bad” or you'll be forced to admit that they're playing the game legitimately and that there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to put any limits on what they do.

Why on earth would they do that? They're not griefing anyone, are they?

To the OP, I have been playing since 2007, before that I tried playing several times before finally getting into it. Eve is hard.

To that end, it mirrors the real world in many ways, one of those ways is natural selection. The stupid and weak get weeded out at the new player level.

Those who can learn to adapt and survive progress in the game while those who think far too rigidly don't do so well.

It took me several attempts to permanently start playing because I was young and the game was simply far too complex for me to understand at the time. As I grew older I was much more intelligent and adaptable. I was able to learn the ins and outs of eve and enjoy the game.

If your friends are getting stomped over and over again it is because they are committing the same mistakes over and over again.

Don't want to get wardecced? Stay in an NPC corp. Or move to another area of space. There are literally an infinite number of solutions to any one problem in this game.

The reward for being a "Good Guy" as someone pointed out already is making friends and alliances.

Having friends and alliances in eve is a far more useful reward than anything you get by "being bad".

So please I implore you, adapt and survive or get weeded out.

I think the game just appeals to a certain type of tenacious, intellectual player. I started playing a while back, though 'This is confusing,' then immediately brought 6 months of game time, because of the challenge. Never looked back.

In the end my curiosity and desire to learn won and I stuck with it as well.

As far as the first question of this thread goes, new players are a desirable thing for any multiplayer game.

The rest of this thread though...

The argument that high sec should be safer just doesn't hold up imo. Understand though, I've spent a LOT of time in high sec doing industry during the times when I couldn't be bothered logging in often. I was lucky enough that the second corp I joined was actually run by people who knew what the hell to do during a war. While some people may think that war is somehow unfair or unbalanced, it actually provides content generation and valuable lessons to people. New players need to get over the idea that losing assets is some terrible thing. I would argue that many more experienced players could use that lesson as well.

The tactics and advice listed by other people to avoid losses during a war will help more than any change in mechanics ever will. Not to mention that the effects of some of the changes proprosed here would end up damaging the game way more than any perceived positive consequence. If you make high sec a 'risk free zone' the effects on the economy alone would be devastating, especially to high seccers that do industry. Your profits on the products you sell, even the very demand for said products, comes directly from people losing assets and requiring replacements. High sec industialists, as one of you (at least a lot of the time), I urge you to please accept the fact that you are ALL war profiteers or at least supporting in-space pvp with everything you build. To expect to sit in high sec with no risk, building, researching, and producing products you want others to purchase is just strange to me. Eve is risk, and the reward that goes along with it if you succeed.

High sec was never supposed to be safe, just safer.

There is a lot more i wanted to put in here, but didn't want a huge wall of text.