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Does Eve need new players?

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Karak Kashada
Silver Talon
#441 - 2014-02-25 22:43:09 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Just remember though, six years from now when you are terrorizing the stars of New Eden, that you were once a new player, and help out a newb now and then. Lol

Indeed. I plan on mopping the universe of those who prey on the weak. ;)
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#442 - 2014-02-25 22:45:07 UTC
Karak Kashada wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
You can say that, but everyone here started out as a newbie. We didn't just spawn into the game with 30+ million skillpoints and hundreds of millions of isk.

If I had to do it, you had better give me a damned good reason why you think you shouldn't have to.
Not sure why you're quoting me; I didn't make any such suggestion.

Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
There is no inability, apparent or otherwise. The game has a hefty learning curve, but it's about attitude as much as it is about game mechanics. Despite this, the game continues to grow, as it has for a long, long time.
If the game continues to grow, then it seems that the OP's claim is wrong. I was responding to the claim in the OP, not to the scenario you just now suggested.


I was using the royal "you". :P

As in, you or anyone.

The new player experience is primarily hampered not by a lack of opportunity, but by other people. And not in the way that might be imagined, either.

It's by highsec corps. Between them, the Help Channel, and NPC corp chat, the game is a poisonous environment that only serves to try and hamper the development of budding players.

It's part of why I believe it's so important to have highsec wardecs be powerful and prominent. It's a very necessary service to stamp out these toxic highsec corps that tell newbies "they can't" do X, Y, or Z. Whether that "they can't" is about PvP, skillpoints, isk, whatever.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Karak Kashada
Silver Talon
#443 - 2014-02-25 22:47:39 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
If you are struggling, I would definitely recommend giving any of those 3 a try, or find another player Corp that will help. The only thing required is a good attitude and respect for others. Some Corps provide ships and skill books for free, so you gain off the efforts of the more experienced players who grind the ISK.

Thanks for the tips and concern. Truth is, I'm not struggling, but am doing great. Big smile Divine Entervention, however, has voiced some things that could be perceived as expressions of struggling. Perhaps he'll take advantage of your and Kimmi's suggestions, which are great suggestions.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#444 - 2014-02-25 22:52:29 UTC
Karak Kashada wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Just remember though, six years from now when you are terrorizing the stars of New Eden, that you were once a new player, and help out a newb now and then. Lol

Indeed. I plan on mopping the universe of those who prey on the weak. ;)


That's a good broad goal but for now look at something more specific.

Kaarous and Scipio are very accomplished PvP enthusiasts (Kaarous is a psychopath, but a lovable psychopath). Their words here are very valuable.

Don't ever be okay with being told, "You can't do that". If anyone ever tells you, "You can't do that." You tell them to go **** themselves.

My experience is more with PvE in HighSec. I am what PvP enthusiasts lovingly call a "CareBear". The big difference between this CareBear and "those" carebears is I don't want the game to change to benefit my play unless it benefits everyone's play. So Kaarous and Scipio, at least somewhat, tolerate me.

Except for Mag's - he stole my tea cozys (cosys? that just looks weird). What a ****!

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#445 - 2014-02-25 22:53:52 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:

Except for Mag's - he stole my tea cozys (cosys? that just looks weird). What a ****!


Cozies, I believe. Spellcheck seems to agree.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#446 - 2014-02-25 22:56:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Karak Kashada wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Just remember though, six years from now when you are terrorizing the stars of New Eden, that you were once a new player, and help out a newb now and then. Lol

Indeed. I plan on mopping the universe of those who prey on the weak. ;)


That's a good broad goal but for now look at something more specific.

Kaarous and Scipio are very accomplished PvP enthusiasts (Kaarous is a psychopath, but a lovable psychopath). Their words here are very valuable.

Don't ever be okay with being told, "You can't do that". If anyone ever tells you, "You can't do that." You tell them to go **** themselves.

My experience is more with PvE in HighSec. I am what PvP enthusiasts lovingly call a "CareBear". The big difference between this CareBear and "those" carebears is I don't want the game to change to benefit my play unless it benefits everyone's play. So Kaarous and Scipio, at least somewhat, tolerate me.

Except for Mag's - he stole my tea cozys (cosys? that just looks weird). What a ****!
Tea Cosies is the plural of tea cosy. The United have to keep their beverages warm somehow, or they needed some novelty beanie hats.

edit ~ Cosies is the English spelling, Americanese speakers use a Z for some bizarre reason P

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#447 - 2014-02-25 22:59:55 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:


My experience is more with PvE in HighSec. I am what PvP enthusiasts lovingly call a "CareBear". The big difference between this CareBear and "those" carebears is I don't want the game to change to benefit my play unless it benefits everyone's play. So Kaarous and Scipio, at least somewhat, tolerate me.



Theft of embroidery aside, I wanted to discuss this.

That pretty much makes you not a carebear, Kimmi. Taking steps in your own defense and not abdicating it to CONCORD is the other major step, besides the attitude.

A PvE player doesn't have to be a carebear.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#448 - 2014-02-25 23:02:30 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:


My experience is more with PvE in HighSec. I am what PvP enthusiasts lovingly call a "CareBear". The big difference between this CareBear and "those" carebears is I don't want the game to change to benefit my play unless it benefits everyone's play. So Kaarous and Scipio, at least somewhat, tolerate me.



Theft of embroidery aside, I wanted to discuss this.

That pretty much makes you not a carebear, Kimmi. Taking steps in your own defense and not abdicating it to CONCORD is the other major step, besides the attitude.

A PvE player doesn't have to be a carebear.


But...

But...

Bears are awesome!

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Karak Kashada
Silver Talon
#449 - 2014-02-25 23:34:32 UTC
Anyone interested in the topic of the thread anymore?
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#450 - 2014-02-25 23:39:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Karak Kashada wrote:
Anyone interested in the topic of the thread anymore?

Absolutely, but I have a feeling that once the other thread is cleaned, this one will be next and then we'll be back on track.

ISDs are earning their tea and biscuits today.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#451 - 2014-02-25 23:40:03 UTC
Karak Kashada wrote:
Anyone interested in the topic of the thread anymore?


I'd be happy to discuss it with you. I'm relatively certain that DE hid my posts several pages ago as he no longer responds to me with his snide and vitriolic comments.

I have no doubt others would like to discuss the topic at hand as well. Unfortunately, this thread has been derailed by a child tearing away feverishly at a napkin.

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Victoria Thorne
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#452 - 2014-02-25 23:46:21 UTC
Karak Kashada wrote:
Anyone interested in the topic of the thread anymore?



Yes, I am. My answer would be yes. There are plenty of things that can be improved in the new player experience, I think. I don't think making high-sec less dangerous is necessarily beneficial, however. Educating people as to their options, that is what is important.

Most of the dangers in high sec are actually extremely easy to avoid, if you keep your wits about you & have some knowledge of the mechanics.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#453 - 2014-02-25 23:51:17 UTC
Victoria Thorne wrote:
if you keep your wits about you & have some knowledge of the mechanics.


I agree with the Vic here. I think this point above is very relevant. The number one thing that discourages new players is their ignorance of mechanics.

Aggression mechanics.
Loot and salvage mechanics.
War Dec mechanics.
Safety mechanics.

The NPE is insufficient for explaining these complex at first intricacies. Sure they can get some info in Rookie Chat or the School chat but one can question the validity of the responses as well as the new players understanding of what is being told to them.

The hardest questions are the ones you don't know that you're supposed to ask.

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ISD Gallifreyan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#454 - 2014-02-26 05:17:28 UTC
Thread under review..... Stay tuned to see if it gets a permanent lock or comes out clean.

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Oliver Wendel Jones
Citizens of Fernando Po
#455 - 2014-02-26 12:31:00 UTC
Geez, why do you people keep responding to him??
Ronny Hugo
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#456 - 2014-02-26 12:37:27 UTC
Game mechanic idea:
If you war-dec someone, you can't dock in highsec when they target you.
Would this work?
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#457 - 2014-02-26 12:56:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Kimmi Chan
Ronny Hugo wrote:
Game mechanic idea:
If you war-dec someone, you can't dock in highsec when they target you.
Would this work?


That would apply to both parties involved in a war.

They who initiate the wardec may not dock while targeted.
They who are the recipient of said wardec can not dock while targeted.

I would also submit that the vernacular of aggressor and defender be changed. What, specifically, is the recipient of the war dec in possession of that requires defending?

ED: Does two t's in targetted look weird to anyone else? Yep, it is weird. Edited for stupid t's

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ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#458 - 2014-02-26 13:15:56 UTC
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#459 - 2014-02-26 13:32:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Karak Kashada wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Just remember though, six years from now when you are terrorizing the stars of New Eden, that you were once a new player, and help out a newb now and then. Lol

Indeed. I plan on mopping the universe of those who prey on the weak. ;)


Oh believe me, I did too. I came into the game with the intent of being a " (player) pirate hunter", I couldn't understand how anyone would want to be a pirate or other bad guy in a video game.

7 years later I'm neither player pirate hunter or player pirate (NPC pirates are a whole 'nother matter, I slaughter them buy the boatload, screw those guys).

Mainly because while I don't personally find pirate play interesting, I've learned that the "pirates" (gankers, scammers, hell, just say Goons) are actually the well adjusted adult EVE players who can keep a video game in context while having fun.
Meanwhile, the "weak" types are just too busy being delusional "Michael Jackson in Neverland" child-like people stuck in their own imaginations who take all of this game stuff way too seriously while they refuse to do anything in their own defense with all the free freaking Guns the game gives them.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#460 - 2014-02-26 13:38:21 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Karak Kashada wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Just remember though, six years from now when you are terrorizing the stars of New Eden, that you were once a new player, and help out a newb now and then. Lol

Indeed. I plan on mopping the universe of those who prey on the weak. ;)


Oh believe me, I did too. I came into the game with the intent of being a " (player) pirate hunter", I couldn't understand how anyone would want to be a pirate or other bad guy in a video game.

7 years later I'm neither player pirate hunter or player pirate (NPC pirates are a whole 'nother matter, I slaughter them buy the boatload, screw those guys).

Mainly because while I don't personally find pirate play interesting, I've learned that the "pirates" (gankers, scammers, hell, just say Goons) are actually the well adjusted adult EVE players who can keep a video game in context while having fun.
Meanwhile, the "weak" types are just too busy being delusional "Michael Jackson in Neverland" child-like people stuck in their own imaginations who take all of this game stuff way too seriously while they refuse to do anything in their own defense with all the free freaking Guns the game gives them.


Guns are free? Blink

I'm the same. Long after I started they had that personality test thing and I was a Bounty Hunter. Unfortunately, I don't see enough of a profit for effort in hunting down player bounties, so I shoot NPC bounties.

Stealth "do something about bounties" post.

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