EVE General Discussion

Bingo. The wrong kind of newbie (or whatever age of player) is good for nothing but target practice.

OMG how eliteist! CCP needs money and the unwashed gimmie gimmie masses have it, and with that money CCP can make EVE shine....by turning it into all high sec as the new players will demand because anything lower than .5 sec is for neckbeards who are perpetually sans girlfriends because they are sociopaths despite the fact that they tend to group up (in anti-sociopathic fashion) into huge coalitions that do nothing but blue all of null sec!!!

*catches breath*

And another thing! Sociopaths!

Amen, Fred.

And you can do this, along with some of the other things you mentioned, while working your way through the tutorials. Which gift you with ships, some basic modules and teaches some of the skills you'll need in-game while giving you some time to train up to get into that Rifter. The rest is just playing and building on what you've learned.

I didn't think The Mittani logs in anymore ...

Edit: Also, this is germane and I found it to be an interesting read.

I read this today. The idea of that opening paragraph:



I'd like to spend my days playing EVE and doing yoga too

Edit, wrong forum Now I feel dumb

EVE needs a steady influx of new players. Extend the question to whether high sec war mechanics aid or counteract the need for new players.

I've stated before how the war dec mechanic was changed, now the number of concurrent wars is unlimited. That means that a high sec war deccing corp, for instance 4 members, can war dec an unlimited number of corps. Thus an unlimited number of pilots can be war decced by a very small number of players at the same time.

When buying subscription we pay for play time. The time can be spend doing a range of different things in the game, and I've previously mentioned how EVE offers a ranged set of activities when it comes to involvement. From the AFK hauling to deep concentration and elaborate teamwork.

A high sec war limits the available mechanics. For the high sec deccing corp this is not really a hindrance, since their purpose is not to engage in the activities limited by a war dec. For a corp designed to help very new players, and engage in the trading and/or industrial activities, a war completely changes activities viable to engage in. You can no longer engage in your primary purpose.

For the sake of argument we can pool all the paid gametime together for each week. Lets say that a weeks combined play time for all accounts currently playing is 10.000 hours and this number do not change (we dont have to calculate fractions then).

1.000 hours of those belong to the deccing corps, it is counted as voluntary PVP game time. The rest belong to the high sec dwellers helping new players and doing industry together. If the high sec deccers are limited to three concurrent war decs at any time, they may as a group only be able to war dec a limited number of pilots in high sec. Thus maybe 4000 hours of gametime would be spend under war conditions, 3000 of those counted as involuntary PVP game time. 6000 game hours is spend doing peace time activities.

Removing the limit of concurrent wars can result in an increase in game hours spend under war conditions. The 1000 hours of voluntary PVP game time stays the same, but there is an increase in involuntary PVP game time.

That means that if a player is looking for the high sec peace time experience doing missions, mining and/or industry, the time he can expect to engage in that has been decreased due to the unlimited access to war deccing of a smaller number of players. A small number of players has been granted a huge potential influence on other peoples game time. Something that was not available before to the same extend. The balance between voluntary and involuntary PVP has been changed.

Now it is quite possible for players to shift their game time from involuntary PVP to escape this condition. It comes with consequences of course. The methods has been repeated time and time again everytime high sec war is being discussed in the forums. There are two main routes.

The first route is to adapt to the war conditions and engage in PVP against the agressor. It can sometimes be difficult cause the deccing part will often hunt for single vulnerable targets or stay docked in face of serious opposition. It can be fun and great to embrace the war condition, but it still limits the available viable gameplay that peace offers in high sec.

The second route is to leave the player corp and return to an NPC corp. The full range of gameplay is again available. However being in an NPC corp is not as effective in building social units. When players leave a corp during war, there's also the chance that they will create single player corporations to get the economical benefits of a corp. This may lead to an increase in the number of corporations and a decrease in the avarage number of members in each corp. The social aspect of the game could suffer from this.

A war either means you accept the limits to your game time and engage in the available PVP experience, or you are barred from the benefits of a corporation. With an increase in game time under war conditions, EVE offers a less varied and exciting experience than before. Unless of course you're only into EVE for a limited type of experience. War kills a part of the game for a time, and that time has been increased I believe. More game hours are now spend during involuntarty PVP. What war offers is limited in a high sec context, and may apeal to a majority of the war deccers, but maybe not so much to the pilots being decced.

High sec mercenary and griefer corporations with 50+ concurrent war decs is an abomination in my opinion, it allows for a minority of players to dictate a drastic limitation of available game experience for a very large group of other players. I don't think wars should be banned, cause they do provide some valuable experiences and sets a great environment, even when they are not active. The uncertainty of when the next war comes was a great addition to the game previously. Now war seems almost boringly predictable, the thrill of uncertainty is gone.

I find myself seeking other games for the kind of experiences that is no longer available to me to the same degree in EVE.

Well said, a better way of explaining my point.

Excellent post Karon.

There is the allies mechanism that allows decced Corps to bring allies in to assist.

Eve highsec wardec Corps like the Marmites are available to hire as allies, so decked Corps have the option to fight back through a third party (or several third party's)