EVE General Discussion

You can't make yourself a superior person by doing anything. In other words, there is NOTHING you can do to be a superior person, especially where how you play a video game is concerned. There is plenty you can do to lower yourself beneath other people, like pretending you're superior in some way (note: proclaiming yourself superior is, in fact, elitism, the same that you've accused others of).

Also, for the last time, because it has been said enough: get this through your incredibly thick skull, there is nothing about a person being a 'dirtbag' in a game that makes them one in reality. That is your own misconception and by making that misconception, you are, ironically, behaving like a dirtbag in reality yourself. LEARN THE DIFFERENCE between fantasy gameplay and reality, and maybe you won't fail so completely.

And the wheel continues to turn.

See you all later.

Some men just want to watch the wheel turn?

Because I'm lazy, and doing higher-priority stuff at the moment, I offered some friends in TAXU 500mil isk for anyone that can bring me his corpse. That's 500mil per corpse, of course, to encourage repeated poddings. Just for the person who lands the killmail, though. Killwhores don't get prizes.

I supposed I can extend this offer to anyone else that might be interested. Seeing as how I'm such a terrible person, I might as well call 'double jeopardy' and be the best terrible person I can be, so long as I don't have to do it myself for about the next month.

Slurp slurp

I think the moral of this story is, older players are generally going to be more experienced than and have a different attitude to newer players. Newer players are jumping in the deep end here, and need to learn to swim before they become older players themselves. In order to get there, they can learn for themselves, as I had to for most of my first year in the game, but this method can be very slow. Alternatively, they can seek help from older players.

However, it's important to remember that there are people, real people, behind the keyboards of both older and newer players, and regardless of playstyles, I believe those people deserve respect. Right up until the point that they start disrespecting you, for whatever reason. And if you want help from older players, as opposed to hindrance, it's probably a bad idea to start judging them and disrespecting them.

But, there's a confusion here as to how that respect is defined in EVE. Is it defined by playstyles? No, sorry, ganking a newb who's not in a starter system or within the area deemed by CCP to be protected for newbs is not disrespectful, it is gameplay. The same as a newb ganking a vet, which happens more frequently (due to Catalyst toons generally being less than five days old and pretty easy to train) than vets ganking newbs.

Vets rarely gank newbs, because newbs rarely have anything of value. Of course, if you make the choice to be somewhere that puts you in the line of fire, such as lowsec, despite the warnings you get about receiving no protection, then you are automatically a target - no one I know takes the time to check the age of a toon in lowsec just to see if they're an easy toon to kill, especially when you're flashing red, because you are an imminent threat.

No, it's not disrespectful to play the game. It might seem so to you if you are a victim of someone else's gameplay, but that's just because you lost. No one likes to lose. What really defines your character and whether or not you deserve respect, though, is how you respond to losing, and also, how you respond to winning. As someone that's both ganked and been ganked, I can tell you now, the butthurt has flowed through this one, as has the hubris. You learn, in your own time, that neither is a healthy way to enjoy the game. In fact, both sides of the coin will end up with you making your own time on EVE miserable. The gankers don't make you miserable, you do when you respond to losing your pixels with butthurt.

I haven't ganked a miner in a long time, but I've had plenty of good fights where I've both won and lost, and there's a certain camaraderie between you and your opponent, win or lose, when you show respect for one another after that fight. If just one side fails to deliver that respect, then neither one of you can truly enjoy or learn from that experience.

Back to how new players learn, though - you certainly aren't going to do well if you cannot show respect to those that outmatch you, and you will make your own experience a miserable if you are disrespectful and spiteful towards those people, because they will be less inclined to help you, and more inclined to target you again. Not only do you screw your own experience, you screw theirs as well.

So be mindful of that - if you're not doing well, in this game, it's entirely on you, and how you interact with others in this game.

Not right now, he logged off about 10-15 minutes ago

Eve definitely needs newbies. Newbies = revenue = sustained development of this game which we love.

I expect we'd all be disappointed if CCP went under due to declining revenue due to an inability to get new players signed up to paying subs.

That said, it strikes me (as a player with all of seven months' experience) that your "newbie" period is already safe enough, as long as you are not dumb enough to accept duel requests or fall prey to the scammers.

High sec is pretty safe most of the time but I've been flying in null already for four months and loving it.

I think the OP needs to step back and re-assess why they are playing the game, remember it is just a game and act accordingly.

Sounds like these guys left the nest too early and got some bad advice along the way.

While this is true (I've been a Law Enforcement Officer for the last 16 years), this has nothing whatsoever to do with this video game. The people I've arrested over the last decade and a half for hurting others or taking from others weren't playing a video game designed by Icleandic Ultima Online PvP hard cases, they (the criminals) were going against Society itself.

The people playing this WARGAME (and it is a war game, undock in a pod and watch the game spawn you a ship with a free gun on it) by making war on people aren't doing anything wrong, even if it's not the way you or I like to play (I tend to shoot red Xs when i play, keeping New Eden Safe, one Forsaken Hub or Angel Extravaganza at as time). In fact, they are making the game better, because the happy happy sunshine video game you would like this to be would suck.



This paragraph demonstrates that you don't understand EVE online at all. No where is safe except the starter systems and activities, High sec just means "CONCORD will help", not "safety". Period.

If you don't have enough time to play, that's a personal problem. If your corp is losing war after war, learn to play better, learn to buy allies, be in an npc corp or something. FIGURE IT OUT rather than coming here asking mommy (CCP) to fix if for you. Man up.

It's like saying "4 quarters of football is too long because you're not in high school so can we make games be 15 minutes long so I can take care of my kids?". No, just stop playing football lol

Interesting thread, a bit long tho.
My take on this (i'm a fresh newb player to).

I think you're missing out on the whole concept of EVE. But I don't blame you. I did to. After my trial ended and I subscriped to the game, I ventured in to low sec full of myself. And got killed repeatedly. By vets, in battlecruisers, assault frigates, pirate frigates. All cool looking things that shred me to pieces.

After a while I kinda had enough. F*k this I said, why am I playing AND paying for a game that promotes this behaviour? So I cancelled my sub, and in the reason windows I wrote what I thought was a big f*k you to CCP. Good luck with your game when everyone leaves and all is left are the billion SP players unwilling to shoot each other. Muahaha.
Yeah I told them good.

So I decided to keep playing until my monthly sub ended.

Fast forward to now, 3 weeks later (or something). I've actually searched and found my own path (even tho it's a dark sided one). And I'm having fun. No rules, no regrets, I just do what I want to do in the game.

Hell, my wet dream would be wardeccing corps like your friends. The only thing holding me back is the 50 mil cost a week. I suck at making ISK, and I'm a very casual player (2 hours per evening mostly).

TLDR
Game is working as intended.
No comprimises, no nerfing, no hello kitty
The sky (and your imagination or ethics) are the limit

Your friends need to team up and work together. Put some effort in to it.