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Does Eve need new players?

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#261 - 2014-02-24 05:39:42 UTC
Eran Mintor wrote:


You are also making some assumptions about him. Not necessarily defending him but chill.


I'm making assumptions based on substantiated observation. He's making assumptions about what not just me, but many other players, are like in real life based on their behaviour in a video game. You tell me you don't have a problem with someone telling you you're 'this kind of person in real life' because you play EVE a certain way, without knowing anything else about you beyond how you play EVE, and I won't believe you.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#262 - 2014-02-24 05:40:13 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
words


Through my travels and experiences I've learned that there are some people who you have to ignore, because their ignorance will only infect you.

I do not wish to catch your disease, I would prefer not to interact with you in any medium, in game, forums, online, or off.

You do not strike me as a person worth experiencing.


So far, you only know me as a person based on these forums. You've judged me based on a conclusion you've jumped to as a result of your own pettiness, ignorance, and projection as a result. All you've done is exhibit hostility and judgement towards players based on a limited knowledge of the kind of people they are.

I'm sorry, you are in no position to decide what kind of person I am. No one on these forums is, and no one else has tried to make any determination because of that. As a result of this judgement, you have put on open display an aspect of what you are like in real life. You are the very thing you are judging me of being by virtue of making that judgement with no knowledge of me beyond what you've read on these forums.

You are seriously disturbed, mate, if you think who anyone is in real life, or what kind of person they are, has any relation to how they play a video game. Which is ironic, because it's that very disturbance that results in people like yourself calling people in this game 'sociopaths' and the like.

Seriously though, I've picked things more precious than you and others like you from between my toes. You aren't choosing to ignore me only now, though, you've been ignoring me the whole time. Otherwise, you might have learned something.


Honestly, i didn't even read the entire thing you just wrote. I got the first sentence where you were questioning my judgement of you.

Do you really care? I don't. I don't really care what you think about me, and I feel you shouldn't really care what I think about you.

Now if you're a control freak/egotistical/narcissist, then go ahead and throw a temper tantrum because you can't control my perception.

OR

Just not care. Both of us have the same options, to care or not. I'm going with the latter.


Saw that coming. Not getting off on the openly aggressive attack anymore, so now you're trying the passive-aggressive one, yawning and pretending nothing is wrong while you continue to be a complete ****.

For the record, I would be surprised if you'd read anything I've written.


Tell me again how you refuse to help new people and then get mad at people when they treat you like the person you present yourself to be.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#263 - 2014-02-24 05:48:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Divine Entervention wrote:
Tell me again how you refuse to help new people and then get mad at people when they treat you like the person you present yourself to be.
Tell us again how you've ignored all of the advice given because it doesn't fit with your worldview.

If you want help I suggest that you at least consider the advice given by players far more experienced in Eve than you are. We know what we're talking about, we've learnt through experience and over time.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#264 - 2014-02-24 05:50:14 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Tell me again how you refuse to help new people and then get mad at people when they treat you like the person you present yourself to be.
Tell us again how you've ignored all of the advice given because it doesn't fit with your worldview.

If you want help I suggest that you at least consider the advice given by players far more experienced in Eve than you are. We know what we're talking about, we've learnt through experience and over time.


It's been stated numerous times that none of you have any help to give.

The repetitive theme is:

#dealwithit
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#265 - 2014-02-24 05:55:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Divine Entervention wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Tell me again how you refuse to help new people and then get mad at people when they treat you like the person you present yourself to be.
Tell us again how you've ignored all of the advice given because it doesn't fit with your worldview.

If you want help I suggest that you at least consider the advice given by players far more experienced in Eve than you are. We know what we're talking about, we've learnt through experience and over time.


It's been stated numerous times that none of you have any help to give.

The repetitive theme is:

#dealwithit
You must be blind, I see plenty of explanation, help and advice being given, you have chosen to ignore it.

Deal with it is very much part of Eve, if you don't like it I suggest you wait for Star Citizen or Elite Dangerous because CCP are not going to change an extremely successful, fairly unique, decade old formula to cater to people that can't deal with it.

It's purposely hard, by design. As a side effect it weeds out the people that don't get it.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#266 - 2014-02-24 06:08:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Tell me again how you refuse to help new people and then get mad at people when they treat you like the person you present yourself to be.
Tell us again how you've ignored all of the advice given because it doesn't fit with your worldview.

If you want help I suggest that you at least consider the advice given by players far more experienced in Eve than you are. We know what we're talking about, we've learnt through experience and over time.


It's been stated numerous times that none of you have any help to give.

The repetitive theme is:

#dealwithit
You must be blind, I see plenty of explanation, help and advice being given, you have chosen to ignore it.

Deal with it is very much part of Eve, if you don't like it I suggest you wait for Star Citizen or Elite Dangerous because CCP are not going to change an extremely successful, fairly unique, decade old formula to cater to people that can't deal with it.

It's purposely hard, by design. As a side effect it weeds out the people that don't get it.


This. By playing EVE, you are jumping in the deep end, without floatation, and no one is going to give you any, but there are people that have been there a while and can help you learn to swim. Before them, a bunch of people that had to teach themselves. That's the way of EVE.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#267 - 2014-02-24 06:32:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Tell me again how you refuse to help new people and then get mad at people when they treat you like the person you present yourself to be.
Tell us again how you've ignored all of the advice given because it doesn't fit with your worldview.

If you want help I suggest that you at least consider the advice given by players far more experienced in Eve than you are. We know what we're talking about, we've learnt through experience and over time.


It's been stated numerous times that none of you have any help to give.

The repetitive theme is:

#dealwithit
You must be blind, I see plenty of explanation, help and advice being given, you have chosen to ignore it.

Deal with it is very much part of Eve, if you don't like it I suggest you wait for Star Citizen or Elite Dangerous because CCP are not going to change an extremely successful, fairly unique, decade old formula to cater to people that can't deal with it.

It's purposely hard, by design. As a side effect it weeds out the people that don't get it.


This. By playing EVE, you are jumping in the deep end, without floatation, and no one is going to give you any, but there are people that have been there a while and can help you learn to swim. Before them, a bunch of people that had to teach themselves. That's the way of EVE.


The only option I have is to wait. No amount of knowledge right now can negate the fact that even with it, i can't do anything because all of my skills are garbage and I can't even properly fit a frigate.

You literally have to wait to play.

Or I can take your suggestions and go waste my time earning what you can in 1/1000 of the time it would take me.

Tell me, how quickly can you earn 600million isk?

Me? like 2 months
Ai Shun
#268 - 2014-02-24 06:40:57 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Tell me, how quickly can you earn 600million isk?


Under ten minutes with 0SP.
Eccon Dustwaver
Excalibur Industries
#269 - 2014-02-24 06:41:21 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
Was directed not at you but at those who get their kicks running wardecs vs new player corps in high financed by nullsec isk printers. When they probe you down with a neutral scanner and drop a collection of t2/3/faction cruisers on your t1 then promptly fly home and dock the term gank seems appropriate. Anyone who plays this way is bad.


Who is playing this way though?

Highsec wardecs, sure. Every player run Corp and Alliance is subject to a wardec by one of the well known wardec Corps; and the way it works, it usually happens every few months. The goons get wardecced just the same as anyone else.

That's just part of the game and despite the carnage that my own Alliance has bought upon itself at the hands of the Marmites in our current war, generally it is easy enough to avoid war targets and go about regular play with just a little bit of effort before or early in a war.

It's really not that hard to avoid them and end with a clean war report at the end of the week, with the wardeccer having spent the 50 million+ to initiate the war to begin with.

However only POS cowards and Disgraces would need to wardec or harass players in High Sec cause they have no balls or skill and want to brag about killing newbs or lesser skilled players. I roam High Sec and generally leave the lesser experienced players alone unless they pick a fight with me first because there really isn't anything to gain from it but a bad reputation of being an a-hole and a bounty on your head.
Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#270 - 2014-02-24 06:44:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Eran Mintor
Divine Entervention wrote:

The only option I have is to wait. No amount of knowledge right now can negate the fact that even with it, i can't do anything because all of my skills are garbage and I can't even properly fit a frigate.

You literally have to wait to play.

Or I can take your suggestions and go waste my time earning what you can in 1/1000 of the time it would take me.

Tell me, how quickly can you earn 600million isk?

Me? like 2 months


I dunno. According to your posts in other threads you fly warpcore stabbed frigates in faction warfare plexes, which every unskilled alt could do. My guess is you could make 600mill in a few days.

So now I'm just starting to think you're trolling all of us. You did a pretty good job until I saw your other posts.

And if you're not trolling then you're just stupid and I've wasted enough time on you.

Go DIAF.

InB4L
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#271 - 2014-02-24 06:48:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
Eran Mintor wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:

The only option I have is to wait. No amount of knowledge right now can negate the fact that even with it, i can't do anything because all of my skills are garbage and I can't even properly fit a frigate.

You literally have to wait to play.

Or I can take your suggestions and go waste my time earning what you can in 1/1000 of the time it would take me.

Tell me, how quickly can you earn 600million isk?

Me? like 2 months


I dunno. According to your posts in other threads you fly warpcore stabbed frigates in faction warfare plexes, which every unskilled alt could do. My guess is you could make 600mill in a few hours.

So now I'm just starting to think you're trolling all of us. You did a pretty good job until I saw your other posts.

And if you're not trolling then you're just stupid and I've wasted enough time on you.

Go DIAF.

InB4L


Well your guess is totally wrong because it takes about 20 minutes for one medium plex to give 6400 LP, which, at current prices comes out to 6.4 million.

But hey! I was blown up like 5 times in the last 2 hours so I've really only made about 10k LP in 2 hours, which comes out to 5 million an hour.

So only 119 more hours of this and I can afford to buy a plex!

How disappointed you must be in your ability to reason.
Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#272 - 2014-02-24 06:50:47 UTC
Yea sorry i changed the post to say days realizing my mistake.Smile If your warpcorestabbed frigate is still dying you must be dual-boxing with your main.Roll
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#273 - 2014-02-24 06:54:03 UTC
Eran Mintor wrote:
Yea sorry i changed the post to say days realizing my mistake.Smile If your warpcorestabbed frigate is still dying you must be dual-boxing with your main.Roll


Not necessarily. Because orbiting a timer for 20 minutes is incredibly boring.

So really the only options I have as a new player are:

Be bored.

You expect me to stare anxiously at my screen, frantically watching a 20 minute timer count down so I can be ready to RUN AWAY at a moments notice? I can't fight. . . .

Anyone who chooses to come fight me is going to have 2 advantages:

Game knowlege

Skill point enabled ability offering access to better weapons and ship fittings.

I have zero possibility to win any fights right now. Anyone who wants to fight me, will win because being at the very bottom of potential ability, I have zero chance to do anything other than maybe run away.

You can't argue what a new person is suppose to do because you have obviously forgotten what it is to be new.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#274 - 2014-02-24 06:57:31 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:

You literally have to wait to play.



No you don't. I didn't. No one else I know did. It must just be a personal thing, for you.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#275 - 2014-02-24 07:00:46 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:

You literally have to wait to play.



No you don't. I didn't. No one else I know did. It must just be a personal thing, for you.


O i must be mistaken.

Because I really want to fly a kitsune right now but wow, imagine that. . . . I have to wait a bunch of days for skills to train!

I guess I don't have to wait. . . . . So what trick as a new player am I missing that will allow me to fly a FRIGATE?
Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#276 - 2014-02-24 07:02:37 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Eran Mintor wrote:
Yea sorry i changed the post to say days realizing my mistake.Smile If your warpcorestabbed frigate is still dying you must be dual-boxing with your main.Roll


Not necessarily. Because orbiting a timer for 20 minutes is incredibly boring.

So really the only options I have as a new player are:

Be bored.

You expect me to stare anxiously at my screen, frantically watching a 20 minute timer count down so I can be ready to RUN AWAY at a moments notice? I can't fight. . . .

Anyone who chooses to come fight me is going to have 2 advantages:

Game knowlege

Skill point enabled ability offering access to better weapons and ship fittings.

I have zero possibility to win any fights right now. Anyone who wants to fight me, will win because being at the very bottom of potential ability, I have zero chance to do anything other than maybe run away.

You can't argue what a new person is suppose to do because you have obviously forgotten what it is to be new.


I'm not forcing you to be an LP -whore in FW thats your own choice. Certainly not something I'd recommend to a new player but for some reason you chose it. Interesting.

Also, I haven't forgotten what it's like to be a new player as those are where my fondest memories are from. If you read my previous posts you would know that. But you didn't, and instead you just moan like a prostitue who's too enthusiastic to convince anyone it's real.
Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#277 - 2014-02-24 07:05:18 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:

You literally have to wait to play.



No you don't. I didn't. No one else I know did. It must just be a personal thing, for you.


O i must be mistaken.

Because I really want to fly a kitsune right now but wow, imagine that. . . . I have to wait a bunch of days for skills to train!

I guess I don't have to wait. . . . . So what trick as a new player am I missing that will allow me to fly a FRIGATE?


Fly a griffin. Its the same thing.

Anyways, as tempting as it is to keep replying to you I must wash my hands and be done with this. I think I've lost some hope in humanity and certainly lost precious time.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#278 - 2014-02-24 07:06:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
Eran Mintor wrote:
Divine Entervention wrote:
Eran Mintor wrote:
Yea sorry i changed the post to say days realizing my mistake.Smile If your warpcorestabbed frigate is still dying you must be dual-boxing with your main.Roll


Not necessarily. Because orbiting a timer for 20 minutes is incredibly boring.

So really the only options I have as a new player are:

Be bored.

You expect me to stare anxiously at my screen, frantically watching a 20 minute timer count down so I can be ready to RUN AWAY at a moments notice? I can't fight. . . .

Anyone who chooses to come fight me is going to have 2 advantages:

Game knowlege

Skill point enabled ability offering access to better weapons and ship fittings.

I have zero possibility to win any fights right now. Anyone who wants to fight me, will win because being at the very bottom of potential ability, I have zero chance to do anything other than maybe run away.

You can't argue what a new person is suppose to do because you have obviously forgotten what it is to be new.


I'm not forcing you to be an LP -***** in FW thats your own choice. Certainly not something I'd recommend to a new player but for some reason you chose it. Interesting.

Also, I haven't forgotten what it's like to be a new player as those are where my fondest memories are from. If you read my previous posts you would know that. But you didn't, and instead you just moan like a prostitue who's too enthusiastic to convince anyone it's real.


Ok so lets pretend im not in FW.

Lets say I'm unaffiliated mining in 0.7 gallente space.

cool I can mine veldspar at a whopping 2.1 million isk per hour rate!

Now you go do level 4 missions, in 1 hour you make how much?

And I'm suppose to be content being ineffective for over a year?

come on now

I understand you're totally panicky because you can't stand the thought of losing your easy targets to prey upon because you can't handle real pvp against people who are equally skilled/experienced. . .

but you should put the health of the game above your ego.

But being egocentric, i don't think that's going to happen . . . . . .
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#279 - 2014-02-24 07:14:18 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
I understand you're totally panicky because you can't stand the thought of losing your easy targets to prey upon because you can't handle real pvp against people who are equally skilled/experienced.


These are the types of things that are easy to check by looking at a killboard before typing.

I don't think there is any evidence to support this accusation.

Is it really so difficult to just take the heat out of this discussion and not accuse others just because they have a different opinion?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#280 - 2014-02-24 07:17:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Divine Entervention wrote:

Ok so lets pretend im not in FW.

Lets say I'm unaffiliated mining in 0.7 gallente space.

cool I can mine veldspar at a whopping 2.1 million isk per hour rate!
Mine Scordite the return is better, and it's closer to 8M an hour with a barge, more with an exhumer.

Quote:
Now you go do level 4 missions, in 1 hour you make how much?
By cherry picking, blitzing them in something expensive and contracting the clean up operation out to a 3rd party around 60-80 million an hour, realistically it's more like 40-50 million an hour including loot and salvage.

Quote:
And I'm suppose to be content being ineffective for over a year?

come on now
You're not, you just think you are.

Quote:
I understand you're totally panicky because you can't stand the thought of losing your easy targets to prey upon because you can't handle real pvp against people who are equally skilled/experienced. . .

but you should put the health of the game above your ego.

But being egocentric, i don't think that's going to happen . . . . . .
You're full of it, and speaking of egos...

As for the health of the game, we are putting it first, because people with your attitude are what will kill this game.

A good gamer adapts to the game that they're playing, a pisspoor one expects the game to adapt to them. You appear to fall into the latter category, HTFU or go back to whichever misbegotten themepark game you came here from.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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