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Ancillary Shield Boosters and Charge Size

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Flaming Forum Spammer
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-02-17 20:57:02 UTC
Notice the XL ASB can use cap booster 400 or 800, but you get the same bang with a 400 as 800 and can load more 400's than 800's. This intended? Why doesn't it use 2 400's or 1 800?

-same for all the other ASB's.
Batelle
Filthy Peasants
#2 - 2014-02-17 20:57:56 UTC
intended. There is no advantage to using a larger size charge.

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Dato Koppla
Kiwis In Space
Shadow Cartel
#3 - 2014-02-17 22:24:32 UTC
Yeah it's intended, it's kinda odd because normally cap boosters always go for the biggest size, but on the bright side this gives us a reason to use cap booster 50s and 150s which would otherwise be useless.
Jon Joringer
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2014-02-17 23:12:27 UTC
I really don't understand why CCP don't change ASBs so that charge size actually matters. That or just get rid of accepting different sizes, because everyone only uses the smallest size (for good reason).
Dato Koppla
Kiwis In Space
Shadow Cartel
#5 - 2014-02-18 01:22:52 UTC
Jon Joringer wrote:
I really don't understand why CCP don't change ASBs so that charge size actually matters. That or just get rid of accepting different sizes, because everyone only uses the smallest size (for good reason).


The current system works fine IMO, charge size making a difference wouldn't change anything assuming it is not a nerf, as players would find out which one is more efficient and just use that charge so it would be the same. As for it accepting different sizes, there's no reason to change that either as although you always want the smallest size, there are niche cases where you would use a larger size such as running out and picking up more from a randon wreck (actually happened to me) or having fleetmates drop uou charges.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-02-18 16:35:38 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
Jon Joringer wrote:
I really don't understand why CCP don't change ASBs so that charge size actually matters. That or just get rid of accepting different sizes, because everyone only uses the smallest size (for good reason).


The current system works fine IMO, charge size making a difference wouldn't change anything assuming it is not a nerf, as players would find out which one is more efficient and just use that charge so it would be the same.

smaller booster: more cycles + lower 'peak' boost
bigger booster: less cycles + bigger 'peak' boost

Assuming recharge time (60 seconds) doesn't change i see pretty different options.

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Jon Joringer
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2014-02-18 18:42:49 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:

The current system works fine IMO, charge size making a difference wouldn't change anything assuming it is not a nerf, as players would find out which one is more efficient and just use that charge so it would be the same. As for it accepting different sizes, there's no reason to change that either as although you always want the smallest size, there are niche cases where you would use a larger size such as running out and picking up more from a randon wreck (actually happened to me) or having fleetmates drop uou charges.


I just disagree. I think ASBs would be a lot more fun (and make more logical sense) if charge size mattered. Why does injecting 800GJ of energy into an XLASB provide the same boost amount or number of boosts as injecting 400GJ of energy? Just doesn't make sense.

If anything, I'd at least like to see something like 800s give two boosts per charge since they're twice as big. There's no real net change, using one is the same as using the other in effect, but at least there's some sense behind it.
Batelle
Filthy Peasants
#8 - 2014-02-18 18:45:20 UTC
Jon Joringer wrote:
I really don't understand why CCP don't change ASBs so that charge size actually matters. That or just get rid of accepting different sizes, because everyone only uses the smallest size (for good reason).


Because its easier not to? Module uses ammogroup, gives same boost regardless ammo, its easier to let it be than carve out an exception for no reason at all.

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Jon Joringer
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2014-02-18 18:49:38 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Jon Joringer wrote:
I really don't understand why CCP don't change ASBs so that charge size actually matters. That or just get rid of accepting different sizes, because everyone only uses the smallest size (for good reason).


Because its easier not to? Module uses ammogroup, gives same boost regardless ammo, its easier to let it be than carve out an exception for no reason at all.

What is the ASB module if anything other than an exception? Was the first of its kind. It would have been just as easy to code it logically rather than what it is now. And if one charge providing two boost cycles is too weird for EVE, then go the simpler path with different sizes providing different boost amounts.

That's just my thoughts on the matter though.
Flaming Forum Spammer
Doomheim
#10 - 2014-02-19 05:59:42 UTC
or just prevent the larger from being accepted -let the oddball booster charges get use
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#11 - 2014-02-19 07:24:05 UTC
The original intent was to give the smaller charges that rarely saw any use a purpose to exist. The module is balanced around the smaller charges. There just wasn't any reason to exclude people from using the larger charges, since using them only had downsides. The ability to fit oversized charges is still useful, since the ability to use multiple sized "ammo" is a nice feature, if the proper sized charges run out or aren't available for some reason. Such reason for example being you running out of ASB charges and having to borrow someone else's cap charges to keep going until you get to resupply.
Arsine Mayhem
Doomheim
#12 - 2014-02-19 15:02:31 UTC
First thing I thought was does the extra cap to in to the capacitor?

That would be nice, but no it doesn't.
bubble trout
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2014-02-19 15:20:52 UTC
Give people options, they then ***** about said options not making sense.


Holy shitballs
Arsine Mayhem
Doomheim
#14 - 2014-02-19 17:05:23 UTC
bubble trout wrote:
Give people options, they then ***** about said options not making sense.


Holy shitballs


Seems the only one crying here is you. But nice of you to add so much to the discussion. So intelligent.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2014-02-20 10:04:32 UTC
bubble trout wrote:
Give people options, they then ***** about said options not making sense.


Holy shitballs

just yesterday i got to choose from 3 equal options in online-client for my bank.

so yes, need to choice without reasons doesn't feel good for me

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Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#16 - 2014-02-20 22:08:27 UTC
One time bump to fix forum.