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Need better isk faucets in 0.0

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Guillaume Conquerant
#1 - 2014-02-17 17:45:36 UTC
Maybe I'm doing things wrong .... but given that I'm able to make around ~100M isk/hr in High Sec L4's and only around 120M isk/hr in 0.0 (running FHs) something doesn't add up given the risks.

Personally, I think CCP has hit 0.0 PVE income with the nerf bat a little too hard.

CCP - Please re-look at 0.0 and the risk vs reward and skill/isk investment vs return for 0.0 activities. Please consider the progression within 0.0 and compared to HS.
BuckStrider
Nano-Tech Experiments
#2 - 2014-02-17 17:47:32 UTC
I feel this thread is lacking some faith.

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Woeful Animation
Ascendent.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#3 - 2014-02-17 17:53:56 UTC
The smell of bovine fecal matter is strong. High Sec level 4's don't generate anywhere near 100 million per hour. Travel time back and forth from the station and the rats having substantially lower bounties and the added time in salvaging and LP conversion means. Math says no.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#4 - 2014-02-17 17:55:57 UTC
Here we go again.....
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#5 - 2014-02-17 17:56:15 UTC
If you have an idea you should put it in F&I. If you would like something formally introduced or voiced to CCP you can also try the CSM forums.

Otherwise this thread lacks any real content and will amount to nothing but trolling. Just like the last one that was locked for the same reason.

At least throw out a potential solution so the ideas can be argued. Ideally, that is what would happen here, but unfortunately it always just turns into a bunch of people bitching back and forth at each other and the actual content is ignored in favor of forum one-ups-manship.

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Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#6 - 2014-02-17 18:03:22 UTC
Guillaume Conquerant wrote:
CCP - Please re-look at 0.0 and the risk vs reward and skill/isk investment vs return for 0.0 activities. Please consider the progression within 0.0 and compared to HS.


I see your point. However, I think 0.0 is alot safer than h-sec atm.
Unless you're one of the rare few not on their knees bowing to Goonswarm and thus not part of it's slave alliances. If so; give it a few months and all off 0.0 will refuse to attack each other. The last capable powerblock was defeated.
If you are a CFC slave; ....
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#7 - 2014-02-17 18:08:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Nah. What nullsec needs is a move away from faucets as a source of personal income.

…I suppose that could still make them “better” from a qualitative rather than quantitative standpoint though.
Doris Dents
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2014-02-17 18:14:44 UTC
120mil an hour running FH? Are you getting faction spawns every 2nd hub? 60mil an hour is above average for me with 1 character.
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2014-02-17 18:17:20 UTC
Guillaume Conquerant wrote:
Maybe I'm doing things wrong .... but given that I'm able to make around ~100M isk/hr in High Sec L4's and only around 120M isk/hr in 0.0 (running FHs) something doesn't add up given the risks.

Personally, I think CCP has hit 0.0 PVE income with the nerf bat a little too hard.

CCP - Please re-look at 0.0 and the risk vs reward and skill/isk investment vs return for 0.0 activities. Please consider the progression within 0.0 and compared to HS.





Pulling these figures out your ass, are ya? Lol

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2014-02-17 18:17:31 UTC
Guillaume Conquerant wrote:
Maybe I'm doing things wrong .... but given that I'm able to make around ~100M isk/hr in High Sec L4's



only 100M? I thought everyone made 250M

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Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2014-02-17 18:18:31 UTC
Guillaume Conquerant wrote:
Maybe I'm doing things wrong .... but given that I'm able to make around ~100M isk/hr in High Sec L4's and only around 120M isk/hr in 0.0 (running FHs) something doesn't add up given the risks.

Personally, I think CCP has hit 0.0 PVE income with the nerf bat a little too hard.

CCP - Please re-look at 0.0 and the risk vs reward and skill/isk investment vs return for 0.0 activities. Please consider the progression within 0.0 and compared to HS.






I think it should be nerfed to max 30 mil/hr in Highsec and max 60 mil/hr in nullsec.

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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#12 - 2014-02-17 18:18:44 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Nah. What nullsec needs is a move away from faucets as a source of personal income.

…I suppose that could still make them “better” from a qualitative rather than quantitative standpoint though.


Add LP as part of the reward structure to increase income from Null Anoms and dilute the market of LP goods in high sec. Use the additional ISK pouring into the LP store sink to increase bounties in Null to compensate and prevent ISK scarcity and/or deflation.

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stoicfaux
#13 - 2014-02-17 18:23:04 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
Guillaume Conquerant wrote:
Maybe I'm doing things wrong .... but given that I'm able to make around ~100M isk/hr in High Sec L4's and only around 120M isk/hr in 0.0 (running FHs) something doesn't add up given the risks.

Personally, I think CCP has hit 0.0 PVE income with the nerf bat a little too hard.

CCP - Please re-look at 0.0 and the risk vs reward and skill/isk investment vs return for 0.0 activities. Please consider the progression within 0.0 and compared to HS.





Pulling these figures out your ass, are ya? Lol

Depends on the ass: Vargur Income running Level 4s without blitzing (Rubicon 1.1)

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Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#14 - 2014-02-17 18:29:09 UTC
What we need is a literal faucet in space that spews isk, which we drive our ship up to and sit at, like baby birds in the nest at feeding time.
Mario Putzo
#15 - 2014-02-17 18:33:14 UTC
Need more Isk sinks all over the game to be honest. The fact alliances can generate hundreds of billions just from renting space is just a testament at how much isk actually available in a game like this. The fact we could even have Trillions of ISK destroyed with no real lasting effect on the economy or the entities involved is just a testament to how much isk is readily available in this game.

There needs to be a massive reduction in available ISK from all sources.
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#16 - 2014-02-17 18:33:33 UTC
Guillaume Conquerant wrote:
Maybe I'm doing things wrong .... but given that I'm able to make around ~100M isk/hr in High Sec L4's and only around 120M isk/hr in 0.0 (running FHs) something doesn't add up given the risks.

Personally, I think CCP has hit 0.0 PVE income with the nerf bat a little too hard.

CCP - Please re-look at 0.0 and the risk vs reward and skill/isk investment vs return for 0.0 activities. Please consider the progression within 0.0 and compared to HS.




Blue-sec is much safer than hi-sec atm. You may want to be carefull what you ask for. They might just look at it and nerf Blue-sec once again.
Kinis Deren
Mosquito Squadron
D0GS OF WAR
#17 - 2014-02-17 18:41:13 UTC
OP compares null sec anoms with high sec L4 missions. I hate shooting rats and avoid it like the plague, but even I can see there's something fundamentally wrong in this comparison.
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#18 - 2014-02-17 18:41:49 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Need more Isk sinks all over the game to be honest. The fact alliances can generate hundreds of billions just from renting space is just a testament at how much isk actually available in a game like this. The fact we could even have Trillions of ISK destroyed with no real lasting effect on the economy or the entities involved is just a testament to how much isk is readily available in this game.

There needs to be a massive reduction in available ISK from all sources.


Right, because new players deserve to spend 6 months in a frigate while they try to grind isk for a cruiser. Hitting isk making activities across the board really screws new players. They have a hard enough time as it is.
stoicfaux
#19 - 2014-02-17 18:44:13 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
What we need is a literal faucet in space that spews isk, which we drive our ship up to and sit at, like baby birds in the nest at feeding time.

Dude. Current events called.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Mario Putzo
#20 - 2014-02-17 19:15:36 UTC
Noxisia Arkana wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
Need more Isk sinks all over the game to be honest. The fact alliances can generate hundreds of billions just from renting space is just a testament at how much isk actually available in a game like this. The fact we could even have Trillions of ISK destroyed with no real lasting effect on the economy or the entities involved is just a testament to how much isk is readily available in this game.

There needs to be a massive reduction in available ISK from all sources.


Right, because new players deserve to spend 6 months in a frigate while they try to grind isk for a cruiser. Hitting isk making activities across the board really screws new players. They have a hard enough time as it is.


I think you should rephrase this with a bit more hyperbole.
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