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TAUTX: Private Bank and Lending

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Far Wanderer
The New Bank of Far
#81 - 2014-04-25 04:57:56 UTC
Koniforous wrote:
TAUTX had its first ever withdrawal request on the 21st, and it was processed on the 23rd. Quicker than the old 30 day policy Big smile
Well done.

Processing withdrawal requests as quickly as possible is a requirement for good banking operations. Big smile

I really am wasting my breath though, when you can avoid questions from Hexxx and RAW23 like that you must have some seriously devoted investors. --Elizabeth Norn

Koniforous
Tauren Transit
#82 - 2014-05-01 05:43:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Koniforous
April reports

NAV = ~12.1bil

Profits = ~1.2bil

Some long-term patch speculation stock was purchased this month, and has offset profits somewhat. In addition to this, I have gone through 3 laptops this month, each one having some type of defect after unboxing, further affecting my playtime (./gamer rage). Estimated NAV has been adjusted to contain only Jita buy prices of speculation stock. Next month's reports should be much closer to actual values, since I will be keeping more detailed notes on transactions.

TAUTX will be expanding by 25% on June 1st. 1250 Shares will become available, and can now be reserved by current investors.

I believe, at the time of writing this, there are 526 Shares available for this month's enrollment period. Pilots are allowed to begin requesting them at 00:00 evetime on the 1st of each month. As soon as I finish installing EVE (again, again) I will begin transactions.
Hexxx
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#83 - 2014-05-08 16:48:32 UTC
Consider billing yourself as an investment fund - it more accurately characterizes your activities and still provides for the "buying" and "selling" of fund shares with the fund manager. This would also support private secondary sales between sellers and buyers of those shares and providing potentially better liquidity between investors/customers should you be unable to meet your published (Service Level Agreement)SLA on withdraws.

Just some thoughts.
Koniforous
Tauren Transit
#84 - 2014-05-09 01:09:20 UTC
Hexxx wrote:
Consider billing yourself as an investment fund - it more accurately characterizes your activities and still provides for the "buying" and "selling" of fund shares with the fund manager. This would also support private secondary sales between sellers and buyers of those shares and providing potentially better liquidity between investors/customers should you be unable to meet your published (Service Level Agreement)SLA on withdraws.

Just some thoughts.


Thanks, Hexxx. I hadn't thought of referring clients wishing to cash out, to clients hoping to purchase more shares. I'll keep that in mind when the next withdrawal pops up.
Koniforous
Tauren Transit
#85 - 2014-05-27 18:57:39 UTC
As previously stated, TAUTX will be expanding by 1250 shares on June 1st. Current share holders are allowed to reserve a portion of these shares. To determine how many shares you can reserve: take the amount of shares you currently have, and multiply that number by 0.25. The resulting whole number is the number of shares you can reserve.

If you wish to take advantage of your reservable share allowance, you must evemail me BEFORE the first of the month requesting a specific amount of reservable shares.

For all of you that have already requested your reservable allowance, or plan to: you may now send the correct amount of isk to the TAUTX CORPORATE WALLET. Your deposits will be confirmed via evemail, and I will issue your shares after the June 1st interest payment has been completed. Remember, the current buy and sell price is 1mil isk per share. Overages will be returned, and discussed in your confirmation evemail.

The remaining shares will be available on a first come first serve basis for the public, and current clients; indiscriminate. Beginning June 1st at 00:00 evetime, you may evemail me requesting a specific number of shares. I will confirm and request your isk to be sent to the TAUTX CORPORATE WALLET. Once your deposit is confirmed, you will be issued your shares. Any evemails sent before June 1st 00:00 evetime will be considered invalid.

June 1st's interest payment will be the last 2.5% flat return per isk invested. July 1st, and subsequent payments, will utilize the new single dividend payment structure. Please refer to the TAUTX webpage for details. Any questions or comments may be posted here, or evemailed to me privately.

Please join the "TAUTX" Mailing List for updates such as this, and other related news.

Thank you.
Plleasure Hub
Municorn
#86 - 2014-05-28 21:48:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Plleasure Hub
Hi Koniforous!

First off, I just wanted to say that it is really cool what you are doing with TAUTX. I'm not in finance, but I have learned a lot reading over your posts and the various policies you have devised. You have clearly put a lot of thought and work into this, and I think projects like this really enhance the EVE universe.

Your collaterallized loan interest rates are fantastic, so I will see what unused assets I can round up and contact you in a few days once I resolve my pending debts (paying back Bayaz 200 mil + 10% interest).

Also, can I take out two different types of loans at once? An example would be a 300 mil ISK fully-collateralized loan and an additional 500 mil uncollateralized, each loan having their own corresponding interest rates? That would get me close to my next short-term goal of 1 bil borrowed operating capital. Even better would be if both of these loans would count as one completed loan to lower my interest rates in the future.

"There's no meaningful difference between a real and a virtual world. It's pointless to ask anyone who they really are. All you can do is accept and believe in them, because whoever they are in your mind, is their true identity." — Kazuto Kirigaya

Scion Lex
The Unspoken Ones
OnlyHoles
#87 - 2014-05-28 23:02:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Scion Lex
heh....still at it I see. You and 'Far' must not have day jobs. I don't see how you run these 'banks' and still have time to field all this BS on the forums. You must really like that public money and all the rep building. Again....good luck.
Koniforous
Tauren Transit
#88 - 2014-05-28 23:20:27 UTC
Plleasure Hub wrote:
Hi Koniforous!

First off, I just wanted to say that it is really cool what you are doing with TAUTX. I'm not in finance, but I have learned a lot reading over your posts and the various policies you have devised. You have clearly put a lot of thought and work into this, and I think projects like this really enhance the EVE universe.

Your collaterallized loan interest rates are fantastic, so I will see what unused assets I can round up and contact you in a few days once I resolve my pending debts (paying back Bayaz 200 mil + 10% interest).

Also, can I take out two different types of loans at once? An example would be a 300 mil ISK fully-collateralized loan and an additional 500 mil uncollateralized, each loan having their own corresponding interest rates? That would get me close to my next short-term goal of 1 bil borrowed operating capital. Even better would be if both of these loans would count as one completed loan to lower my interest rates in the future.


Thanks Hub. I hadn't thought of clients taking out both types of loans at once, but I don't see a problem with it for now. Each loan would have its own terms, as defined on the webpage, and any other specifics we work out. I imagine you meant that you hope these loans count as 2 repaid loans to lower your future interest rates: Unfortunately, only completed uncollateralized loans apply to your trusted client discounts. I look forward to hearing from you.
Koniforous
Tauren Transit
#89 - 2014-05-28 23:31:35 UTC
Scion Lex wrote:
heh....still at it I see. You and 'Far' must not have day jobs. I don't see how you run these 'banks' and still have time to field all this BS on the forums. You must really like that public money and all the rep building. Again....good luck.


Thanks for the goodluck, Scion. I have a day job, actually. And a family. Running this bank to pay my subscription fee is truthfully less time consuming than before running the bank. I log in a few times a day, update market orders, respond to evemails, and occasionally post TAUTX news/reports. It's really not that time consuming at all, and I absolutely love the rep building because it's slowly proving everyone wrong that posted on this thread in the beginning. Blink
Far Wanderer
The New Bank of Far
#90 - 2014-05-29 06:00:26 UTC
Scion Lex wrote:
heh....still at it I see.
Rep grinding doesn't matter to BFAR. Nor does public money in the sense that we "need" it.

We sourced our first two accounts privately and are happy to go back to it when we test new account ideas. We didn't think anyone would bite publicly, but some pilots did and we're happy to do business with them for as long as it lasts.

The way we see it not all posts are BS, but of those that are it's worth responding only when there's some entertainment value to be had.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled TAUTX thread.

I really am wasting my breath though, when you can avoid questions from Hexxx and RAW23 like that you must have some seriously devoted investors. --Elizabeth Norn

Koniforous
Tauren Transit
#91 - 2014-05-30 03:11:41 UTC
Dividend from Tauren Transit
From: Koniforous
Sent: 2014.05.30 03:08

Tauren Transit may have credited your account as part of a total payout of 2,500,000,000.00 ISK to their shareholders. The amount awarded is based upon the number of shares you hold, in relation to the total number of shares issued by the corporation.

June 1st's interest payment has been issued 2 days early. Estimated NAV and profit reports will be posted soon.
Koniforous
Tauren Transit
#92 - 2014-05-30 16:34:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Koniforous
Profit Report

1 Plex
~720mil

POS Fuel
6986 fuel blocks
~135.6mil

700 charters
~35mil

Eve-Mogul Subscription
=50mil

Overall Liability
~940.5mil

Eve-Mogul Profit
=1,611,020,818.08

Lending Profit
=140mil

Contracts Profit
~424mil

Overall Profit
~1.2345bil


NAV Report
~13.3315bil

With about a day left in the month, these numbers may change by approximately ~50mil more profit, so I went ahead with publishing them now. Any changes will be updated.

EDIT: Values updated.

Thanks again to all of my current clients, and I look forward to continuing similar profit reports as we move forward with the new payout structure that is tied to TAUTX profits. At the time of writing this; 866 shares remain for the June 1st enrollment period, of the original 1250 new shares.

EDIT: With NAV totaling over 12.5bil, TAUTX will expand maximum shares in circulation on July 1st by 1562 shares (1.562bil in new deposits). I may, depending on profits, decide to cancel July 1st's expansion. There's no sense in expanding if profits have not increased. Current share holders can send me an evemail anytime before July 1st requesting to reserve any portion of their reserve allowance (25% of their shares). Clients are also more than welcome to inform me of future dates that they would like to withdraw specific amounts of their funds.

As always, I am open to comments and concerns from the community and clients. Thank you.
JLei
Perkone
Caldari State
#93 - 2014-06-01 19:40:10 UTC
Sent you a message ingame with some questions.
Koniforous
Tauren Transit
#94 - 2014-06-03 16:30:34 UTC
I am looking for loan officers. People that would work on a commission pay structure to help me find clients that want loans. I am considering paying a portion of the interest profits earned from the completed loans that each officer has referred to TAUTX.

You won't need to know anything about TAUTX, you will however have to determine which clients will be most likely to complete their loans, since you will only get paid if and when those loans are completed. I will perform my own background checks on all referrals and have last determination when approving debtors. You will simply assist in finding people that want loans, and refer them to the TAUTX lending webpage.

I am working on updating the lending policies to make them more attractive than the eve forums. If you are interested in becoming a loan officer, please respond to me via Evemail, or on this thread, with any ideas you have for the position, it's pay structure, it's rewards, and possible policies to prevent scams.

Thank you.
Koniforous
Tauren Transit
#95 - 2014-06-08 06:54:07 UTC
Koniforous wrote:
[Posted: 2014.04.21 09:55]...To address this, I started working on TAUTF. TAUTF would have allowed TAUTX to take on more depositors, with minimal increase of default chance on interest payments or withdrawals. But, I wanted TAUTF share prices to fluctuate in relation to TAUTX profits. I have been unable to develop an attractive formula (for both investors and TAUTX) for this. So, I am scrapping TAUTF for the time being. Thank you to all of the pilots that provided me with feedback while I worked on TAUTF...


I have finally developed a way to utilize TAUTX Futures [TAUTF]! I will use TAUTF to host the Bonds Branch of TAUTX. Skip to the bottom for the simplified bonds overview, or continue on to read the full details (it's wordy!)

In reality, I will be performing all accounting and fund transferring, funneling all funds into my personal wallet just as I do with TAUTX funds. The TAUTF corporation will act as a placeholder to display the bond information, as well as maintaining a separate wallet journal to distinguish Bond Holders from TAUTX Account Holders.

TAUTF will sell 30 day bonds to the public to assist in the monthly profits of TAUTX. Bonds will cost 100mil, have a fixed ROI of 3% (0.1% per day), and will be sold at anytime during the month. This will allow for a type of mid-month deposit and boost monthly revenues; increasing TAUTX Share Holders' monthly payouts. Bonds will be able to be sold back to TAUTF anytime (as soon as funds permit). Bonds will begin accruing interest at 0.1% per 24hr period as soon as they are purchased. On the 30 day mark of a bonds purchase date, assuming the bond is still active, the initial purchase price and any accrued interest will be transferred to the Bond Holder's wallet, the bond will be considered to have matured, and will be closed.

Bond Holders can be either entities or pilots. Shares will not be used for these transactions. In-game records will be maintained to distinguish active Bond Holders. This falls under the TAUTX Private Bank & Lending umbrella, therefore: any clients, and/or interactions between those clients, will remain anonymous. I will never release your name to the public, nor any of our interactions, without your approval. I would greatly appreciate any of my clients coming forward to post on this thread, but I will never force any of you to do so.

Bond purchase prices will be excluded from TAUTX profit reports, so too will bond withdrawals. Paid bond ROI's on bond withdrawals will be applied to TAUTX liabilities for the month of their paid out date. Any funds generated through the use of TAUTF Bonds' sales will be automatically applied to TAUTX profits via Eve-Mogul to help boost TAUTX monthly profits. Active bond funds will be deducted from TAUTX Net Asset Value reports. Bond funds are excluded from the lending pool.

Maximum bond sales shall not exceed maximum TAUTX Shares in circulation (Listed in TAUTX corporate info). Since the current maximum of TAUTX deposits is 6.25 billion, TAUTF Bonds, being sold in increments of 100mil, will for now have a maximum circulation of 62 (6.2 billion).

::--::__--__Simplified Overview__--__::--::

- TAUTX Futures [TAUTF] corporate info has been updated as the placeholder for bond sales information.
-Bond Maturity = 30 days
-Bond Price = 100mil
-Bond ROI = fixed 3% (0.1% per day)
-Maximum Bonds in Circulation= 62
-Purchase a bond at anytime, sell back a bond to TAUTF at anytime
-Bonds are designed to boost TAUTX profits and therefore boost monthly returns for TAUTX Account Holders
-Paid Bond ROI's will be counted as a TAUTX liability during the month of their payout
-Bond funds are excluded from the lending pool

As always, questions and/or comments are greatly appreciated. These are initial policies and values that may be adjusted in the future.

Feel free to contact me if you wish to purchase a TAUTF bond. Thank you.
Koniforous
Tauren Transit
#96 - 2014-06-10 09:09:31 UTC
RAW23
#97 - 2014-06-10 11:25:08 UTC
You might want to rethink the interest rate you are offering on those bonds. 3% seems very low for what is effectively an expansion that seeks to double your borrowings and thus significantly increase the risk of the investment. Personally, I would be inclined to move more incrementally and either seek to increase your exposure or seek to reduce the amount you pay to borrow isk but not both in one bound.

This is especially the case given that it looks like the expansion is about 5 times the size of your last recorded monthly profit (1.2bil). If you are only making 1.2bil or so a month then one might reasonably consider 6 billion to be a very considerable amount of isk from your perspective - indeed, the 12 billion of public exposure you are open to looks like it would take 10 months work to gather under your own steam. Those kinds of ratios are not terribly attractive.

By the way, has there been any third party oversight of your business yet?

I don't mean for this to sound overwhelmingly negative. On the face of it you have been running a working operation for 4 months now and either expanding your debt or refinancing at a lower level is a perfectly legitimate move. Getting an audit done to confirm that your activities are what you claim they are would be a very valuable step moving forward. However, you need to be careful not to expand too far or too fast or your business will start looking like a cash grab.

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.

Hexxx
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#98 - 2014-06-10 13:59:02 UTC
RAW23 wrote:
You might want to rethink the interest rate you are offering on those bonds. 3% seems very low for what is effectively an expansion that seeks to double your borrowings and thus significantly increase the risk of the investment. Personally, I would be inclined to move more incrementally and either seek to increase your exposure or seek to reduce the amount you pay to borrow isk but not both in one bound.

This is especially the case given that it looks like the expansion is about 5 times the size of your last recorded monthly profit (1.2bil). If you are only making 1.2bil or so a month then one might reasonably consider 6 billion to be a very considerable amount of isk from your perspective - indeed, the 12 billion of public exposure you are open to looks like it would take 10 months work to gather under your own steam. Those kinds of ratios are not terribly attractive.

By the way, has there been any third party oversight of your business yet?

I don't mean for this to sound overwhelmingly negative. On the face of it you have been running a working operation for 4 months now and either expanding your debt or refinancing at a lower level is a perfectly legitimate move. Getting an audit done to confirm that your activities are what you claim they are would be a very valuable step moving forward. However, you need to be careful not to expand too far or too fast or your business will start looking like a cash grab.


I would recommend he hold the return low for now. If the market demand isn't there and he does need the financing THEN he may feel compelled to raise his rates. However, if he can access his desired credit with such a cheap cost - by all means, do so.

Also, agree with Raw here on the other points - you'll want to manage your debt so that it won't hurt you. Don't take on too much if you can avoid it, but rely on it more then equity financing if possible since it's generally cheaper.

Steady as she goes. The terms of the debt are favorable in my view given the accommodations for liquidity. I'm not endorsing this per say, but I'm not waving a red flag either.
Koniforous
Tauren Transit
#99 - 2014-06-10 17:54:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Koniforous
Hexxx wrote:
RAW23 wrote:
1. You might want to rethink the interest rate you are offering on those bonds. 3% seems very low for what is effectively an expansion that seeks to double your borrowings and thus significantly increase the risk of the investment. Personally, I would be inclined to move more incrementally and either seek to increase your exposure or seek to reduce the amount you pay to borrow isk but not both in one bound.

2. This is especially the case given that it looks like the expansion is about 5 times the size of your last recorded monthly profit (1.2bil). If you are only making 1.2bil or so a month then one might reasonably consider 6 billion to be a very considerable amount of isk from your perspective - indeed, the 12 billion of public exposure you are open to looks like it would take 10 months work to gather under your own steam. Those kinds of ratios are not terribly attractive.

3. By the way, has there been any third party oversight of your business yet?

4. I don't mean for this to sound overwhelmingly negative. On the face of it you have been running a working operation for 4 months now and either expanding your debt or refinancing at a lower level is a perfectly legitimate move. Getting an audit done to confirm that your activities are what you claim they are would be a very valuable step moving forward. However, you need to be careful not to expand too far or too fast or your business will start looking like a cash grab.


1. I would recommend he hold the return low for now. If the market demand isn't there and he does need the financing THEN he may feel compelled to raise his rates. However, if he can access his desired credit with such a cheap cost - by all means, do so.

2. Also, agree with Raw here on the other points - you'll want to manage your debt so that it won't hurt you. Don't take on too much if you can avoid it, but rely on it more then equity financing if possible since it's generally cheaper.

3. Steady as she goes. The terms of the debt are favorable in my view given the accommodations for liquidity. I'm not endorsing this per say, but I'm not waving a red flag either.


First of all, thank you for the input, gentlemen.

RAW:

1. The interest rate on bonds has been set at 3% monthly because originally I had promised returns on Investment Accounts (originally savings accounts) at 2.5%. I want bonds to be just as attractive, but also low enough to reduce the chance of any major defaults. With the IA's (Investment Accounts; the primary TAUTX accounts) the chance of defaulting is actually a lot higher than defaulting on a bond, since I am not using shares to represent bonds I will be able to close bonds and pay any accrued interest before a possible default occurs. While I am effectively doubling the possible deposit values, I am working with a significantly lower chance of default by using bonds as the expansion.

2. You are correct, at the current rate of NAV increases and monthly profits it would take considerable time to earn the actual deposit value from any bond sales. However, I have purposefully tied the maximum bonds available to TAUTX maximum deposit values SPECIFICALLY because TAUTX maximum deposit values are derived from the TAUTX NAV. Since TAUTX NAV must equal 2x the maximum deposit values to expand, bonds are theoretically backed by TAUTX personal funds (bank funds not owned by depositors). ::EDIT:: If anything were to go wrong there is a significant cushion to cover either deposits or bond purchase prices. That was the intent, anyways. If this becomes problematic, I will make changes, just as I have done several times with other policies.

3. Define oversight? As it turns out, I have contacted several 3rd parties, of whom opinions I greatly respect, when I am thinking of enacting new policies. I share back and forth evemails with them and also take into account any opinions expressed on this thread before publishing any new policies. Case in point: This bond idea stems from a very wise 3rd party that suggested I leverage my funds more favorably by reducing the cost of my capital; since IA's can potentially cost me significantly more to use than fixed return accounts, and bonds can be sold at anytime during the month.

4. As stated in answer 2., I have purposefully tried to avoid appearing as a cash grab by enacting proper policies that should keep all funds at minimally low chances of any defaults. I am entirely open to the idea of 3rd party audits. My only concern is that the auditor does not reveal any personal account holder information with anyone. I have a privacy guarantee for my clients, and so the auditor would have to be a trusted member of the community, naturally. I am completely willing, for example, to allow you, Hexxx, Elizabeth Norn, Chribba, and/or Grendell to review my full api key, under the condition that the only information released would be to confirm (or deny) that I am maintaining TAUTX as I have said I am, presenting proper financial reports, and any other information required, but not identifying of any of my clients, or using any information obtained for personal or associate's gain/fun/pain.

Hexxx:

3. Thank you!


::EDIT::

As this new bond offering will place a potential 50% debt value on TAUTX funds, future Share expansions will be postponed. Bond sales will continue until 100% of their current maximum value has been earned and added to the TAUTX personal fund. When TAUTX NAV is equal to 2x the combined value of maximum IA's and maximum Bond Sales (24.9bil) only then will IA expansions and Bond Sales expansions occur.

How's that RAW, and Hexx? For whatever reason I wasn't mathing properly. This last policy basically put TAUTX back to square one when it originally launched. I will increase debt value from 0% to 50%, and when debt value has once again achieved a 0% value, I will expand.
Jeronica
The Terrifying League Of Dog Fort
Deepwater Hooligans
#100 - 2014-06-11 05:01:17 UTC
Sounds like a good plan!

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