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Jayne Fillon for CSM9

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Vayeate Marquise
Doomheim
#101 - 2014-02-26 19:55:17 UTC
do you think that your experience in bombers bar (SP?) and specter fleet has taught you anything useful for your csm run?

Problem? ~.~

Jayne Fillon
#102 - 2014-02-26 21:37:08 UTC
Vayeate Marquise wrote:
do you think that your experience in bombers bar (SP?) and specter fleet has taught you anything useful for your csm run?

If not directly, than certainly through the people who I have flown with and learnt from. Dealing with people in a public setting when feelings get hurt or things go wrong is never fun, but somebody has to do the dirty work to keep things running. In terms of being useful to my CSM run, the easiest take away I have from flying previously with Bombers Bar and now with Spectre Fleet is that I've found my passion and what I enjoy in the game. There are many others who enjoy this game much in the same way, whether their choice of activity is incursions, griefing, or open fleets. That's a part of the game I think I can provide valuable insight on, beyond my understanding of PvP mechanics.

Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI.

Anya Klibor
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#103 - 2014-02-27 05:10:02 UTC
Just for the record:

I am by no means a Jayne fanboi. Never will be, but I'd think he and I are at least on neutral terms. That being said, Seraph has had a long and noted history of causing nothing but drama any way he can, and holding grudges far longer than he should. Seraph suffers from classic narcissism, and there is little that can be done to help him, because he has to be willing to help himself.

Do I think Jayne would make a good CSM member? Yes, I do. If you're more interested in the ravings of a man who has little social skills and no networking outside of whatever little group he is part of, then go ahead and continue to spout the same crap he is. But understand, ISD and CCP have shot him down multiple times, and Bobmon would do well to take down the article as well.

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.

ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
#104 - 2014-02-27 22:47:47 UTC
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!
I also would like to point out the post by our Vice Admiral Eshtir and especially the warnings therein.

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Anya Klibor
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#105 - 2014-02-28 00:35:40 UTC
Good to see the place is being kept clean, even if it is a few days late. ;)

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.

Anya Klibor
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#106 - 2014-02-28 02:42:39 UTC
Seraph is on a personal quest to ruin the names of people who left his corproation almost a year agho for greener pastures, and has been for quite some time. Aside from calling him on his lack-of-knowledge on EN24, I have allowed him to do as he sees fit.

The reason this is rumor-mongering (what Seraph is doing) is because he is providing logs, absolutely. But there is no actual proof that this is, in fact, Jayne. I could have a few friends fo mine come in after doctoring some logs saying that Seraph admits to impersonating a member of the CSM, but that's still only rumors as there is no direct proof of the deed. The only way to get that would be to catch him in the act and be recording it for posterity's sake.

Jayne, however, has said, "Look, here's what's going on" and linked to the threads and what-not that Seraph has started, as well as the fact that Seraph's posts have been deleted for the reasons. If yo wish to read what Seraph has written (and were subsequently deleted) then feel free to go to Chribba's site and look it up. Otherwise, read through what Jayne has said and make a decision based on that for his CSM position.

This thread is about a CSM candidate, not about a single man's vendetta against him.

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.

Jasen Harper
The Holy Rollers
#107 - 2014-02-28 04:38:27 UTC
I'll be voting for Jayne come election time.

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Hendrick Tallardar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#108 - 2014-02-28 05:07:32 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
Back on topic, I have another question for you Jayne.

Assuming you are elected, how do you feel your contributions to the EVE community outside of your CSM role will be affected. For example, you write for an EVE centered video game news site, do you plan to use your CSM status to promote various things CSM are attempting to accomplish (assuming it were permitted under the NDA) or do you plan to maintain a tight lip while allowing for others around you to discuss the topic you may be working on with CCP? Arguably one of your CSM mentors Ali Aras doesn't tend to output much in the way of articles, mostly due to her role as an editor for the same publication, on the subject of EVE and the mechanics therein. I'm curious how you'll address that sort of situation if it were to arise. Would we expect to see your take on such a publication or would it be on a non-polarized location such as a CSM9.org website? One could say it is better for "politicians" to be insulated from news sources, though that's more so about real politics and not internet spaceship pixel land dreamed up by some alcoholic Icelandic guys in the early 2000s.


Edit: Off topic part removed, CCP Phantom
Hendrick Tallardar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#109 - 2014-02-28 15:02:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Hendrick Tallardar
Which is why you kept up the rumor mongering despite repeated attempts by ISD to get you to stop. Perhaps you should just keep your questions based in reality and not the autistic fantasy land you live in.
Hendrick Tallardar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#110 - 2014-02-28 20:11:14 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
***** EDITED BY FLIDAIS ASAGIRI ***** for ranting and making it personal.

Rules# 2,3,4

RULES

Also congrats to Jayne Fillon and members of Spectre Fleet for earning a Dev Spotlight today. https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/community-spotlight-spectre-fleets/

Good to see hard work pays off eh Jayne?
Jayne Fillon
#111 - 2014-02-28 21:04:56 UTC
More questions! I didn't see this one until now.

Hendrick Tallardar wrote:

Back on topic, I have another question for you Jayne.

Assuming you are elected, how do you feel your contributions to the EVE community outside of your CSM role will be affected. For example, you write for an EVE centered video game news site, do you plan to use your CSM status to promote various things CSM are attempting to accomplish (assuming it were permitted under the NDA) or do you plan to maintain a tight lip while allowing for others around you to discuss the topic you may be working on with CCP? Arguably one of your CSM mentors Ali Aras doesn't tend to output much in the way of articles, mostly due to her role as an editor for the same publication, on the subject of EVE and the mechanics therein. I'm curious how you'll address that sort of situation if it were to arise. Would we expect to see your take on such a publication or would it be on a non-polarized location such as a CSM9.org website? One could say it is better for "politicians" to be insulated from news sources, though that's more so about real politics and not internet spaceship pixel land dreamed up by some alcoholic Icelandic guys in the early 2000s.

... and it's a good question to boot.

So far, the majority my articles have been based on things I'm interested in personally or that have been the source of great controversy. I doubt this would change post-CSM, although I would obviously be unable to publish any work on NDA projects, which will probably those still broken/unaltered and in most need of said articles. If I have an opinion on a subject, I will still share my opinion with those who are interested, and I don't see any reason to move my point of publication away from TMC.

As for those currently on the CSM, such as Ali, I've heard that the reason they publish less is the difficulty in discussing a topic currently of public interest while purposefully stunting your article or analysis because you know more than you're allowed to let on. In this case, even if you are unbiased, the CSM title lends just as much suspicion as it does credibility to the words you commit to print. I don't envy the position, but being elected to the CSM won't change my passion, my opinions, or my desire to share with those who are interested.

tl;dr - I'm still going to post what I think about the game on TMC, I just might have to be more delicate. Big smile

Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI.

Jasmine Panzer
Ciaba Ventures
#112 - 2014-03-01 01:01:42 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Flidais Asagiri
***** EDITED BY FLIDAIS ASAGIRI *****

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#113 - 2014-03-01 01:10:09 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Flidais Asagiri
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Personal attacks are prohibited.
Anya Klibor
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#114 - 2014-03-01 06:00:19 UTC
When ti comes right down to it, the two most important issues in the past three years have had the CSM be more reactive, and only getting involved after the general public begins to voice their discontent with decisions CCP has made. Those two times would be "Monoclegate" and the rollout of the NEX with Incarna, and more recently with the issues surrounding SOMER, CCP's favoritism, and what came to be RMT.

Now, while most people consider SOMER to be nothing more than overhyped issues and people looking to cause problems. I agree, to an extent. And I admit, that extent stops very close to where it starts off as far as I'm concerned. However, my issues go beyond that, and more towards how CCP handles it.

Concerning these issues, CCP has generally been unwilling to comment until a certain point is hit and the uproar becomes too much. As we saw especially with Monoclegate, it took articles being written before we got aywhere, and even then the response was lackluster. The hype was large, and only after the players were appearing in droves did the CSM show up to voice their "concerns" and what-have-you. With regards to the SOMER issue, much of the CSM was missing, and the ones who were there took the same approach: they really just appeared to be watching how the political winds were blowing.

Generally, CCP tends to ignore negative feedback, promising an answer and then either not giving it, or doing it in such a way where the fans find out second-hand. In the most recent episode, the way anyone found out was when third parties came and said CCP told them to stop giving away ISK incentives for buying GTCs through select groups.

Since the CSM has been as reactive, and CCP tends to ignore the public when we disagree vehemently, how do you plan to fix this perception that is shared by quite a number of people not only on these forums, but also in-game?

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.

ISD Flidais Asagiri
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
#115 - 2014-03-01 21:59:43 UTC
Greetings

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To the candidate please feel free to open another thread to get your ideas into the arena for discussion. This thread has become what appears to be a personal back and forth between a few individuals and not about your ideas. Good luck.

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