EVE General Discussion

Ugghhhh.....
You see this 1/2 decomposed corpse of a horse over here?

You came back to beat it back down from heaven. AGAIN

If you can't understand that when you gamble the house always wins you might not be long for this game, SOMER obviously is a business first of all.

So they want profits, where do profits come from?
Customers.
Theyre selling you a casino environment in every sense, atmosphere, payouts etc.

****************NEWSFLASH CASINOS EXIST FOR PROFIT************

Now please let this poor sod of a horse just lie.

lol, i have multiple points to address with this.

1. New players and many semi-old players and a few old players DON'T know Somer Blink is rigged. So it requires being brought up if we're to expect people to stop losing to it. So here's a handful of ghostly decomposing horse viscera in your face. Whazaaam!

3. (because 2. didn't feel like it today) Why are you trying to tell me or whoever you're talking to about the business of casinos? Somer Blink isn't a casino. it's a scam. Granted, we could get into a sub-discussion about whether or not casinos are scams, but lets not.

4. When you play Somer Blink, you're not a customer, you're a victim. Period. The codes used to "randomly" determine winners are used to make sure THEIR people win. Not only that, but they pay their people to play their game, creating the illusion that it's actually being played and placing their guys on the list so they can win.

5. In a REAL casino that has some level of integrity, their profit comes from the losers, but they make enough to still pay the winner. That's how a casino works, not by planting insiders, granted, again with the sub-discussion, some probably do.

6. More heavenly horse viscera.

7. arise, horse, arise.

I read everything you have to say and I'm not convinced it's a scam, not saying it's not but the evidence provided is not sufficient to convince me one way or another. And actually I'm leaning towards it not being a scam, simply due to the fact that they really don't need to scam to make a killing.

Yes, Somer makes a pretty big margin on every blink, that's how gambling works, I've never been a gambler myself and think it's a mugs game but people can do whatever they damn well please with their money/isk. On every blink they make a profit, and even the isk that gets won is likely to get put right back into circulation. If there's one thing you can count on gamblers to do it's to keep playing when they're ahead till it's all gone.

You can argue about the general shadyness of this model but calling it a trick or a scam is just not true, Somer even make the information to see their profit margins public so if people lose all their isk on it it's their own damn fault.

Now that's just a pretty standard "house always wins" business model. However I have nothing to rebuke any of the theories about the shill players or the fake players, the only thing I'll say is that for me personally a few suspicious (note: suspicious, not guilty) cases isn't going to make me don my tinfoil hat any time soon. The only evidence I can give to the contrary is that I know plenty of people who've played those big blinks and came out massively ahead, somer used to be really popular amongst a lot of incursion runners and I've been in many HQ fleets where the conversation turned to blink winnings/losses.

Also please don't argue that Somer is harming the economy, that's not true, if anything they're benefitting it. Whenever someone loses isk on Somer the isk in your wallet gets a little bit more valuable as the isk is effectively taken out of circulation (this is assuming they don't RMT ofc but that's a topic for ano... no wait that ones been discussed to death too...). Essentially isk being taken off the market does not change the value of items merely shifts the equivalent value of isk down a little, thus making the isk that is not taken out of circulation more valuable and increasing the value of isk faucets such as bounties. The only people to come off worse there are the people who lost the isk in the first place

I don't know what to think about CCP's comments on Somer Blink. That breaks into another discussion entirely, but i do recall CCP's donation to Somer Blink and the outrage that ensued because of it.

Again, i'm not referring to the blinks worth under about 20mil, as such trivial amounts of ISK wouldn't mean much to them. Although, i wouldn't put it past anyone to include them in a grand scheme. But the billion and multi billion blinks are another story. Even some of the promo blinks. In my opinion, of course.

*adjusts tinfoil hat*

7o 7o 7o

Juice refers to a bookmaker's profit margin per bet, so high juice would be a disincentive.

Or, at least it would be if people were rational.

Unusually for a gambling institution, somers margin is easily determined on a per-blink basis.

ie some blinks are far better value than others.

If nothing else a casino needs a certain amount of winners walking out the door so they can go tell their friends and family about how they won.

Somer Blink is a scam. It is possible for it to be a scam and it is not possible to verify it is not a scam, therefore it is a scam. Just like every online blackjack, poker, and misc game. If you want an honest game, go to Vegas. You'll still loose, but the girls are pretty.

I had a guy in our corp who was new and won a navy apoc.

That plays perfectly well into how I'd rig a site like this. New players would be much more likely to win big prizes initially. That draws them in. Once they've made a decent amount, many of these players will get greedy and turn it into even more blink credit to continue playing, at which point the tables turn against them and they lose it all. They'll fall for the sunk cost fallacy and invest even more into trying to regain their losses, at which point they're hooked.

I won somer blink when I decided to stop playing, billions into the red.