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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#101 - 2014-02-16 13:39:24 UTC
Katrinna Voight-Kampf wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Katrinna Voight-Kampf wrote:
Tauranon wrote:
Katrinna Voight-Kampf wrote:
The way insta lock gate camps currently work, is like having a random number generator (1-10) on each gate in lowsec, when you jump in and it returns 10, your ship blows up. It's unavoidable until they rebalance T3 and remove OGB from the game.


except for covops, bombers, pods, t3s, blockade runners, align fitted ceptors, align fitted t1 frigates, asteros and stratios.

its uhhh quite a list.



Yes, they are all excellent choices for FW frigate pvp. Bravo.


I've killed Comets in my cloaky Astero.

Get on my level.


I bet you killed pro Comet pilots, congratulations.


All in a day's work.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Katrinna Voight-Kampf
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#102 - 2014-02-16 17:24:05 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Katrinna Voight-Kampf wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Katrinna Voight-Kampf wrote:
Tauranon wrote:


except for covops, bombers, pods, t3s, blockade runners, align fitted ceptors, align fitted t1 frigates, asteros and stratios.

its uhhh quite a list.



Yes, they are all excellent choices for FW frigate pvp. Bravo.


I've killed Comets in my cloaky Astero.

Get on my level.


I bet you killed pro Comet pilots, congratulations.


All in a day's work.


I can see you have alot of fun on Singularity.
Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#103 - 2014-02-16 17:43:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Pok Nibin
ViolentDesire wrote:
The problem is that the lack of actual content encourages gate camps as the sure way of getting some kills. It doesnt really add much to the game other than wasting peoples time.

Wasnt the #1 on the most kill list for a long time the dude sitting in Rancer in a smartbombing battleship camping a gate popping pods?
How dare you add something to the discussion that is based in fact and logical?! The nerve of some people! I've always thought the warp scram was a sissified addition CCP put in so they could play a sissified game when they aren't busy "developing".

As far as the OP? My tendency to listen when someone speaks is multiplied in relation to how many people try to shut them up. Usually, when people claim a mechanic isn't broken, it's the mechanic they're using to get kills - sissified.

The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#104 - 2014-02-16 17:45:27 UTC
it's literally impossible to be caught by one of these in highsec or lowsec if you know what you are doing.
Katrinna Voight-Kampf
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#105 - 2014-02-16 17:51:41 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
it's literally impossible to be caught by one of these in highsec or lowsec if you know what you are doing.


Of course it is, everyone that dies in insta lock gate camps are just noobs that need to learn to play. Shame on them for not having a second account for a scouting alt, stupid noobs never learn.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#106 - 2014-02-16 18:33:17 UTC
Katrinna Voight-Kampf wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
it's literally impossible to be caught by one of these in highsec or lowsec if you know what you are doing.


Of course it is, everyone that dies in insta lock gate camps are just noobs that need to learn to play. Shame on them for not having a second account for a scouting alt, stupid noobs never learn.
I wouldn't call you stupid. Stubborn and unwilling to learn the options available yes, but don't call yourself stupid. Blink

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#107 - 2014-02-16 18:36:13 UTC
Katrinna Voight-Kampf wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
it's literally impossible to be caught by one of these in highsec or lowsec if you know what you are doing.


Of course it is, everyone that dies in insta lock gate camps are just noobs that need to learn to play. Shame on them for not having a second account for a scouting alt, stupid noobs never learn.


DotLan doesn't require a second account. Dunno how you missed that.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#108 - 2014-02-16 18:44:27 UTC
Mildew Wolf wrote:
if you can align in less than 2 seconds they cant lock you fast enough out of gate cloak

also cloaks can help



I've seen gank squads lock and gank the leopard shuttle on an outbound gate. And no it wasn't me.

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
Hal Ghost
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#109 - 2014-02-16 18:55:36 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Katrinna Voight-Kampf wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
it's literally impossible to be caught by one of these in highsec or lowsec if you know what you are doing.


Of course it is, everyone that dies in insta lock gate camps are just noobs that need to learn to play. Shame on them for not having a second account for a scouting alt, stupid noobs never learn.


DotLan doesn't require a second account. Dunno how you missed that.


Dotlan and the map doesn't help ****, dunno how you missed that.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#110 - 2014-02-16 18:58:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Gogela
Katrinna Voight-Kampf wrote:
I'm trying to find an aspect of these mechanics that isn't broken, but frankly instalocking camps are unavoidable, if you jump into one, you're getting caught, even in a frigate.

Something has to be done to fix this issue, it's killing the fun out of the game.


Thank you.

What? Are you kidding me? You need a team to set that up, and there are a lot of slots on those ships going to waste just to make it possible. It's not particularly common, unless people have alts in throwaway ships boosting them. Everyone always wants to shoot, so getting people to show up to a camp in strictly a support roll like that is hard. If a team of players is serious enough to make that happen, I say more power to them. I fly all over nullsec all the time in a nullified Tengu. The camp you are describing is the only thing that would have a chance of stopping me. I've never lost a Tengu in null. That's because in all the years of jamming through null nobody had an insta-locking camp with -4 to warp or an infinipoint... and I've blown through some scary camps. If you are hitting instalocking camps all the time, just move to another part of space, because I would bet you are hitting the same group of pirates over and over again.

edit: Actually PL blew up a couple of Tengus of mine in null... it would be more accurate to say I've never lost a Tengu in null going gate to gate. If I peel off the gate and screw with PL I die... but I deserve it.

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Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#111 - 2014-02-16 19:05:13 UTC
Katrinna Voight-Kampf wrote:
I'm trying to find an aspect of these mechanics that isn't broken, but frankly instalocking camps are unavoidable, if you jump into one, you're getting caught, even in a frigate.

Something has to be done to fix this issue, it's killing the fun out of the game.


Thank you.


I've been insta locked loads of times in systems that on the map seem to be empty or devoid of kills (someone has got to be first lol) I don't have a problem with it.

Eve is all about managing risk.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#112 - 2014-02-16 19:08:02 UTC
Hal Ghost wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Katrinna Voight-Kampf wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
it's literally impossible to be caught by one of these in highsec or lowsec if you know what you are doing.


Of course it is, everyone that dies in insta lock gate camps are just noobs that need to learn to play. Shame on them for not having a second account for a scouting alt, stupid noobs never learn.


DotLan doesn't require a second account. Dunno how you missed that.


Dotlan and the map doesn't help ****, dunno how you missed that.


Lol wow. I guess you really can't fix stupid.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
MonkeyMagic Thiesant
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#113 - 2014-02-16 19:56:27 UTC  |  Edited by: MonkeyMagic Thiesant
Katrinna Voight-Kampf wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
it's literally impossible to be caught by one of these in highsec or lowsec if you know what you are doing.


Of course it is, everyone that dies in insta lock gate camps are just noobs that need to learn to play. Shame on them for not having a second account for a scouting alt, stupid noobs never learn.


< 2 sec align and you can't get caught, other than via a bubble. Of course, that's a gimped fit on everything (except perhaps an Astero, which has a cloak so doesn't need it!)

Even with 3 sec align fits, you should be able to make it back to the gate with a mwd frigate most times.
SMT008
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#114 - 2014-02-16 20:00:13 UTC
Counter-point to everyone saying "Avoiding an insta-lock gatecamp is easy, don't need a cloaky-nullifier T3" :

CowWarrior and his crew aka Deklein border patrol.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#115 - 2014-02-16 21:59:20 UTC
Katrinna Voight-Kampf wrote:

I can see you have alot of fun on Singularity.


Then you are hallucinating, because I've never used it.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#116 - 2014-02-18 02:38:21 UTC
MonkeyMagic Thiesant wrote:
Katrinna Voight-Kampf wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
it's literally impossible to be caught by one of these in highsec or lowsec if you know what you are doing.


Of course it is, everyone that dies in insta lock gate camps are just noobs that need to learn to play. Shame on them for not having a second account for a scouting alt, stupid noobs never learn.


< 2 sec align and you can't get caught, other than via a bubble. Of course, that's a gimped fit on everything (except perhaps an Astero, which has a cloak so doesn't need it!)

Even with 3 sec align fits, you should be able to make it back to the gate with a mwd frigate most times.


The cloak/mwd trick works on pretty much every ship, and done correctly is virtually impossible to catch without luck.
Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#117 - 2014-02-18 02:49:03 UTC
I flew a navitas not even worth a mill through a single loki gate camp. That turned into a squad of people really quickly.

Makes me a bit nervous of flying an astero even with inertial stabilizers. Despite the navitas being sort of slow.

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?
Abyss Azizora
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#118 - 2014-02-18 03:16:08 UTC
l0rd carlos wrote:
My corp found a insta lock camp some days ago, we warped in with 3 Maulus and sensor damped them for 15 minutes. A lot of neutral frigs got away because of us.

I like to help out in the community.


Ok, you get a "like" for that one.
Mythrandier
Solace Corp
#119 - 2014-02-18 09:13:34 UTC


8/10 OP. 6 pages long and still people are biting!

Get to 10 pages and I think we could push that up to a 9/10.

Well trolled that man, well trolled indeed.

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Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#120 - 2014-02-18 09:20:29 UTC
The only thing broken about this is why you can't have a corp mate scout ahead.

There's solutions to the problem. Several of them in this thread.

/蘭

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