Ships & Modules

I just started playing EVE a little over a week ago and have been training a bit to get into a nice big battleship and ORE ship....I think I will find both fun to fly and on that note I was looking at a Machariel as a battleship and the Retriever as a mining. I want the battleship to be able to fight other players well so I will be able to just go on my merry way if someone decides to attack me because im flying a fancy ship and on that note I would like the mining ship to be able to not die horribly if suicide ganked (its never leaving hi-sec) Reccomendations? I have about two weeks left to have "enough" skill to fly the mach in missions......

Good luck flying mach in pvp with 3 weeks old character.

No, scratch that.

Good luck doing anything with any battleship with 3 weeks old character.

Sitting in a ship doesn't equal being able to fly it as it should be flown with proper fittings and usage of it's bonuses and role correctly.

During those 30 seconds bunch of catalysts will suicide you and have nice killmail to laugh at empty or completely failfitted mach.

You wrote about using BS for pvp and now you just wanna undock it for a second and make nice screenshots in space? Well, Mach looks very nice on screenshots, that's true. Although for a price of hull alone you could fit 2 or even 3 proper pvp domis or typhoons and have some actual fun with them be that pve of pvp. But still, skills are what make those ships great in both areas. You don't have skills, you have embarrassing lossmail waiting to happen. And it will happen sooner that you think.

I know that you won't agree and you are free to do whatever you want, but I would first learn how to fly small ships before even thinking about moving to BS class. Without skills even BC will be too high, especially that recent cruisers rebalance made many of them capable of pretty awesome stuff. Learn how to use them before spending all your money on a hull that you will be disappointed with or lose it only because your skills were not up to ship's real requirements.

So....what are you looking for, exactly?

Seriously though. Dont do it. You're going to be waiting for AT LEAST a year before you can competently fly that mach in pvp. Even then, i'd advise against it.

Seriously man, take our advice and the subtle suggestions to heart and do stuff with frigs first.

You'll thank us later

Ok, I get what you are saying. Having that shiny ship in your hangar is nice even if you can't board it. I really get that because 2 years ago I was thinking along same lines. Fortunately for me I was always too poor to afford such ship so I didn't get one until I actually needed it.

Thing is market will never swing so much down for you to grab Mach or any other shiny hull without sacrificing all of your ISK or at least huge part of it. I didn't check recent prices but I guess Mach is still around 800mil - 1bil? That is a LOT of ISK for a newbie and if you have that amount lying around it will be better spend on skills you need right now or implants or modules that will help you right now.

As a long term goal Mach or its faction equivalents are ok and training towards them won't be a mistake because they demand you to have pretty high skills to fly properly. And most of those skills will be useful for any other ship you will fly, except weapon system because obviously large arty spec doesn't influence lazors or hybrids or missiles in any way. But all those in-game and out-of-game skills you need to fly them properly are built upon your experience and training for smaller hulls and their fittings.

I also always wanted to fly mach so what I did was checking what skills I would need to it and which lower class hulls shared those skills at their respective levels. For example mach is all about speed and falloff, you don't like to move you should fly sentry sniping domi. So what lower class hulls also depend on speed? What are their bonuses, how they are fitted, etc.

Thanks, those are answers that are very helpful. So according to what you guys are saying I should A. Wait till after the nerf to see if I still want the Mach and B. practice tactics in things I don't care blow up? O and what skills should I have reguardless of what I'm flying (like i have no clue what its going to be) if I'm going to be flying BS sized things eventually?

If someone decides to attack you, they will likely know in advance that they have a good chance of killing you. Otherwise they wouldn't attack. Flying a fancy ship just means a larger loss.

If you want to PVP, fly frigates, they're a little cheaper to replace.

you said you have 6.5 bil to spend... why not purchase a character with decent skills on the character bazaar? it might not have perfect skills but im sure you could buy a good lvl 4 mission running character or pvp or whatever. ive seen characters with 20mil skill points for only 3 bil.

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My advice: Work you way up to bigger ship classes and learn PvP in each of them. (And never again say Higher-end Ship, a frigate can just be as high end as a Titan. The best pilots I know mastered many sizes (or at least a wide variety of subcapitals)

Start with a Slasher/Rifter until you can fly it T2 fitted with lvl 4 skills, try a few Thrashers then change to a lets say Stabber until you can T2 fit it with some lvl 5 skills. Now a few Hurricanes and next up would be lets say a Tempest (Closest Minmatar BS to a Macha). Get more lvl 5s up. (Mix some faction ships in between)

Final hint: Do not buy a char. Its a shortcut yes, but you will miss the enjoyment of changing from a Newbie to a Combat pilot. Read as much as you can, google is your friend.

Having the right skills for a ship can make a world of difference, like night and day. I used to have so many problems with my Abbadon like guns not reaching or tracking, capacitor being empty in less than 2 minutes, tank failing horribly, when I released my drones they would hover around my ship and taunt me and it handled like a ****** on a bicycle. Once I skilled up the right things its an absolute monster when I get behind the wheel. Bigger isn't always better...definitely not until you're skilled properly.