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FOR THE FEDERATION !!!

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Erica Dusette
Division 13
#121 - 2014-02-19 07:57:25 UTC
I think for the first time ever I find myself agreeing with Mr Mintor...

Anyway, it's alarming how quick my quip about a hypothetical invitation to drink spiced wine, which I don't, has evolved into scandalous-sex in many people's minds. Bob help us all.

Simon Louvaki wrote:
Im not uncertain we wouldnt acomplish more by trying to set up you and Pilot Volparstar on a date Dusette-hanni, rather than going back to the conversation at hand, heh.

Mr Louvaki, sir. You are a sweet man and a patriot, but there's no need to concern yourself for my love life. I'm in fact not in the 'market' for one in the first place. For one I'm currently based in deep unknown space, incredibly busy with a lot of things going on around me. Dating anyone would not only be impractical but counter-productivity and near impossible.

Logistics aside though, I've taken a self-imposed vow of chastity since my last three attempts at dating ended in unpleasant ways for all involved. Relationships don't seem to fit in my heart's capacity let alone my timetable. It would take somebody very, very unique to ever see me break the vow I mentioned. I don't like being hurt, especially by myself.

Besides, what could any man offer to a woman who already has everything she wants?

Redpants wrote:
Please resume this protracted yawn about who's right and who's wrong

Actually sir I do believe we'd moved past most of the bickering thankfully ... until you showed up to pour nanites into the fire.

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

Part-Time Wormhole Pirate Full-Time Supermodel

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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#122 - 2014-02-19 08:48:41 UTC
Redpants wrote:

But I digress. Please resume this protracted yawn about who's right and who's wrong

I'm right, everyone else is wrong. Deal with it.


P.S. I think I'm falling in love with you Kimmy, your blind hatred and mindless aggression toward anything Gallente has really grown on me.Blink

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Noden Vorpalstar
The Knights of Polaris
#123 - 2014-02-19 13:09:47 UTC
*Smiles slightly, and takes a sip of his morning coffee*

Amazing! In the short span of time in which I have returned to capsular life after a little retirement, announced my decision to fight for the Federation, throw myself to the attack dogs here, and now this....

Erica Dusette wrote:
I think for the first time ever I find myself agreeing with Mr Mintor...

Anyway, it's alarming how quick my quip about a hypothetical invitation to drink spiced wine, which I don't, has evolved into scandalous-sex in many people's minds. Bob help us all.


...scandalous-sex! Where do these ideas come from, perhaps all of you are more Gallentean than you think?

And as a Federation citizen must I be stereotyped as an 'Overly Open Minded Liberal Drug Booster Induced Immoral Sex Maniac'?
I'm not implying anyone said that, however it seems to be the prevailing view of how Gallenteans are seen.

In spite of obvious disagreements with many here, I felt compelled to offer a defense of Lady LeMew whom I think was unfairly criticized by a couple of my fellows in the Federation.

As for Ms. (Major) Dusette, I would wager she would better appreciate a fine dinner in a skyline restaurant, and non-partisan conversation over a few glasses of fine bourbon, rather than spiced wine. Perhaps followed by some rock climbing, planet side during the day.

The point is, it would only prove unfruitful to both the Federations and my own cause to always be nothing more than antagonistic against other 'immortals'.

*takes another drink of his coffee, and leans back in his chair eyes now on his data pad*

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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#124 - 2014-02-19 13:18:51 UTC
Noden Vorpalstar wrote:

And as a Federation citizen must I be stereotyped as an 'Overly Open Minded Liberal Drug Booster Induced Immoral Sex Maniac'?
I'm not implying anyone said that, however it seems to be the prevailing view of how Gallenteans are seen.


Perhaps you need to stop thinking in stereotypes.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#125 - 2014-02-19 13:30:14 UTC
To repeat the words I used to conclude my previous comment: The ideals of the State are not to be found in its failures.

Any attempts to use our (tiny minority) of impoverished working-class laborers, or the Provists, or boardroom nepotism to illustrate a problem with the Caldari ideal are therefore doomed to failure. Those were failures, and we correct our failures. Two down, one to go from that list.

I don't understand this insistence on equating our philosophy with those occasions when we don't manage to live up to it. I'll gladly criticize the Federation for being a mob ruled by its appetites, which are in turn directed by a fickle and mercenary media empire that is highly adept at presenting a facade of neutral integrity. That's what the words "democracy" and "free press" look like to somebody raised in the State.

What do the words "Meritocracy" and "duty" mean to you, pilots?

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Erica Dusette
Division 13
#126 - 2014-02-19 14:33:41 UTC
Noden Vorpalstar wrote:
As for Ms. (Major) Dusette, I would wager she would better appreciate a fine dinner in a skyline restaurant, and non-partisan conversation over a few glasses of fine bourbon, rather than spiced wine. Perhaps followed by some rock climbing, planet side during the day.

I'm afraid if you'd made that wager then you'd have lost your bet sir, although it's flattering that you'd have placed it anyway.

I am certainly not a woman of class, Mr Vorpalstar - I curse a lot and in my spare time I enjoy murdering hapless explorers and industrialists. Although I do like to think I'm a woman of style, evidenced not only by my ship and fashion choices but also by my casual employment as a successful model and the meticulous care I take of both my figure and personal grooming. If you're bravely looking for some hints regarding my likes and dislikes then here's some things you should know about me sir.

  • I hate Empire space, despite my heart remaining loyal to the State. My days of living there are well behind me sir. I only ever visit when I need supplies, am doing a holoshoot, visiting my stylist or blowing up someones tractor unit. Although granted I have visited some stations there to simply relax and enjoy a synth-latte while passing through, it's not somewhere I enjoy staying for very long. So the concept of dinner in a restaurant is not at all appealing to me.

  • Fine food or classy dining itself holds little appeal for me. I'm sure some of the people who've accused me of being underweight would expect me to say that, however to me food is merely a necessary evil that I require to keep functioning. In fact when I discharged from active combat duties for the State I took with me a Badger full of out-of-date dried Caldari Navy rations. Those rations were the staple diet for my corporation's pilots for well over a year. Suffice to say the way to my heart is certainly not through my belly.

  • Did I mention I hate Empire space?

  • I do not drink alcohol sir. At most very rarely. Due to my small size even a small amount effects me tremendously and I'm honestly not a very good drunkard to be around. However I do smoke occasionally. It's my guilty pleasure and smoking helps me limit my cravings for food as well as being an excellent way of celebrating after a successful battle.

  • I love coffee. A lot. I especially enjoy caramel synth-lattes, nice and creamy with a couple of sugars and the milk poured in before the water. I also enjoy the occasional Quafe.

  • Rockclimbing does sound somewhat appealing as I do enjoy vigorous, regular exercise. However the only problem with that concept is rocks are mostly found on planets, typically those in Empire space. Refer to points one and three. Sure, there are planets in deep space too but if I enjoyed spending time on the ground I'd not have enlisted as a capsuleer.

Still think I'd be a nice person to date sir?

So what is my ideal date, I hear you thinking? Well honestly I am most comfortable in deep space, it is my home, and so my ideal date would take place there. Not only is the location exotic and intriguing but the journey and meeting itself means both parties need trust each other with their lives. This concept makes for an exciting, dangerous and primal atmosphere that gets the blood pumping even before the date itself occurs.

I have held a couple such dates in the past, and in a non-romantic sense I've also host many friends at my family's tower in Horizon. Typically guests are treated to the privacy and lavish decor of my personal quarters - spacious, warm and dimly lit with a large viewing window that overlooks our tower's infrastructure and gives commanding views of the system beyond. Basic food is provided along with a choice of drinks. The evening usually involves a lot of casual banter and chatter, perhaps a tour of the system itself, before the guest is escorted to our static exit. Occasionally people have stayed overnight.

A date with me is simple and comes with no frills, bells or whistles. But at the same time it is unique, exciting and somewhat terrifying. Although in any event I'm not looking for romance right now, but these are past examples that might shed some light on the person I am, Mr Vorpalstar.

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

Part-Time Wormhole Pirate Full-Time Supermodel

worмнole dιary + cнaracтer вιoѕвσss

Cuci Cairi
#127 - 2014-02-19 14:38:38 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
To repeat the words I used to conclude my previous comment: The ideals of the State are not to be found in its failures.

Any attempts to use our (tiny minority) of impoverished working-class laborers, or the Provists, or boardroom nepotism to illustrate a problem with the Caldari ideal are therefore doomed to failure. Those were failures, and we correct our failures. Two down, one to go from that list.

I don't understand this insistence on equating our philosophy with those occasions when we don't manage to live up to it. I'll gladly criticize the Federation for being a mob ruled by its appetites, which are in turn directed by a fickle and mercenary media empire that is highly adept at presenting a facade of neutral integrity. That's what the words "democracy" and "free press" look like to somebody raised in the State.

What do the words "Meritocracy" and "duty" mean to you, pilots?


Duty is fairly self-explanatory to me, not requiring much definition. Whatever your values, whatever your beliefs, duty is the responsibility you have to live in accordance with them.

As for meritocracy, I've never seen one actually exist. In theory, there is some guideline by which everyone is measured in order to determine the worth of their actions and thus their place in society.
Pontianak Sythaeryn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#128 - 2014-02-19 16:11:20 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Scherezad-haani, the notion of implying that there is slavery or slaves in the State, is simply gallentean propaganda. Gallenteans teach people about these lies and hammer it into their heads so hard, that only death could release them.

Look for example at this Noden Vorpalstar, who can't even browse laws of the State and see for himself, that slavery is prohibited in the State. Or even feel it on his own skin, if he would dare bring his slaves into Caldari territory.

But no, he prefers to revel in his ignorance.
What is worse, that it is not him alone, but majority of gallenteans.
And this is why the Federation must be destroyed.


*Scratches her head* Honestly, when I was in school, the whole slavery thing was much more pointed out about the Amarr than the State. I think the Federation and the State just enjoy taking the occasional potshot at each other at this point, for reasons that are simply convenient for the political parties involved.

But you know, maybe people get confused about what the Caldari believe when it comes to Slavery, because they are fixated on destroying a government which hold tenants to personal freedom. I mean, mixed signals much? I'd just assume end all hostilities against the State and let you do whatever... but you all still have a habit at shooting at me, forcing me to defend myself. It gets a little tiring.
Noden Vorpalstar
The Knights of Polaris
#129 - 2014-02-19 16:15:19 UTC
Stitcher wrote:


What do the words "Meritocracy" and "duty" mean to you, pilots?


A fair balance of advancement through both merit and potential are key concepts to an individuals development. And as for "duty" it is representative of responsibility which must not be upheld.

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Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#130 - 2014-02-19 16:20:43 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:

Simon Louvaki wrote:
Im not uncertain we wouldnt acomplish more by trying to set up you and Pilot Volparstar on a date Dusette-hanni, rather than going back to the conversation at hand, heh.

Mr Louvaki, sir. You are a sweet man and a patriot, but there's no need to concern yourself for my love life. I'm in fact not in the 'market' for one in the first place. For one I'm currently based in deep unknown space, incredibly busy with a lot of things going on around me. Dating anyone would not only be impractical but counter-productivity and near impossible.
.


I was merely joking Dusette-hanni,admittedly sometimes my sense of humor fails me.

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#131 - 2014-02-19 16:40:36 UTC
Pontianak Sythaeryn wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Scherezad-haani, the notion of implying that there is slavery or slaves in the State, is simply gallentean propaganda. Gallenteans teach people about these lies and hammer it into their heads so hard, that only death could release them.

Look for example at this Noden Vorpalstar, who can't even browse laws of the State and see for himself, that slavery is prohibited in the State. Or even feel it on his own skin, if he would dare bring his slaves into Caldari territory.

But no, he prefers to revel in his ignorance.
What is worse, that it is not him alone, but majority of gallenteans.
And this is why the Federation must be destroyed.


*Scratches her head* Honestly, when I was in school, the whole slavery thing was much more pointed out about the Amarr than the State. I think the Federation and the State just enjoy taking the occasional potshot at each other at this point, for reasons that are simply convenient for the political parties involved.

But you know, maybe people get confused about what the Caldari believe when it comes to Slavery, because they are fixated on destroying a government which hold tenants to personal freedom. I mean, mixed signals much? I'd just assume end all hostilities against the State and let you do whatever... but you all still have a habit at shooting at me, forcing me to defend myself. It gets a little tiring.


Funny thing is, that's pretty much the mirror image of how I feel. As far as I'm aware, the State has never held the destruction of the Federation as a goal, nor even the capture of a single system of it. The State's sole dog in this fight is the recovery of it's Homeworld and the cessation of Federation attempts to force it to reverse it's secession.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#132 - 2014-02-19 16:43:43 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:

Logistics aside though, I've taken a self-imposed vow of chastity since my last three attempts at dating ended in unpleasant ways for all involved. Relationships don't seem to fit in my heart's capacity let alone my timetable. It would take somebody very, very unique to ever see me break the vow I mentioned. I don't like being hurt, especially by myself.

Besides, what could any man offer to a woman who already has everything she wants?


Dusette-haani, I'm afraid that I'm generally disposed towards the teasing of attractive women. It's a bad habit - right up there with the cigars - and I really need to learn to suppress the instinct. So, apologies if I've contributed to your increasing discomfort in this thread - this was supposed to be nothing more than a little light teasing.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Pontianak Sythaeryn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#133 - 2014-02-19 16:49:16 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Funny thing is, that's pretty much the mirror image of how I feel. As far as I'm aware, the State has never held the destruction of the Federation as a goal, nor even the capture of a single system of it. The State's sole dog in this fight is the recovery of it's Homeworld and the cessation of Federation attempts to force it to reverse it's secession.


I'd just assume let you have it if it means anything at all. Problem is that this an issue politically I know... because you DO have factions within the State that DO want the total destruction of the Federation. Giving over the planet implies a "loss" on our part, and a "win" on yours, embolding the factions within the State that do want our destruction. Do you honestly think things would end if we just gave you that world?

*sighs* It's a messy matter that I intensely dislike. I'd much rather be freeing Amarr slaves than dealing with the State, but it seems life shall always be more complicated than we would like.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#134 - 2014-02-19 16:52:25 UTC
Let's all face it everyone. This war stopped being about freedom, patriotism, liberation, culture, and justice once the Shiigeru crashed onto the surface of Caldari Prime (or Home as some would prefer to call it). Once the planet was divided up and placed under Mordu security, there has been little to no reason to keep this conflict going.

Essentially, the Battle of Caldari Prime was a victory for both sides. The Federation had it's space secured, the Caldari could live on their homeworld and were rid of a leader who was only going to bring the State down with him. If both the leaders of the Caldari and the Federaton actually cared about the ideals I mentioned, the war would of ended there. But as we can see, it didn't.

Now look, the Federal Navy has a near exclusive contract with Roden Shipyards and the Megacorps can happily pump out weapons and munitions to be sold without the Provist trying to stop them. It's all about the ISK now and the people fighting this war are either also in it for the ISK or are being used by the very countries they are so passionate about, so devoted to protecting.



Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Noden Vorpalstar
The Knights of Polaris
#135 - 2014-02-19 17:12:22 UTC
Pontianak Sythaeryn wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Funny thing is, that's pretty much the mirror image of how I feel. As far as I'm aware, the State has never held the destruction of the Federation as a goal, nor even the capture of a single system of it. The State's sole dog in this fight is the recovery of it's Homeworld and the cessation of Federation attempts to force it to reverse it's secession.


I'd just assume let you have it if it means anything at all. Problem is that this an issue politically I know... because you DO have factions within the State that DO want the total destruction of the Federation. Giving over the planet implies a "loss" on our part, and a "win" on yours, embolding the factions within the State that do want our destruction. Do you honestly think things would end if we just gave you that world?

*sighs* It's a messy matter that I intensely dislike. I'd much rather be freeing Amarr slaves than dealing with the State, but it seems life shall always be more complicated than we would like.


Ms. Sythaeryn, you are absolutely correct. While the whole of the State may not wish for our destruction, the threat comes from those factions who do. And the risks associated with should those factions rise to power.

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Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#136 - 2014-02-19 17:20:18 UTC
The exact same thing could be said about the U-Nats in Federation from our perspective.

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb

Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#137 - 2014-02-19 17:24:44 UTC
I would argue that the reason the war hasn't stopped between the Caldari and Gallente is because their allies have reached no similar conclusions in regards to the cause of their war. Withdrawl of support for their allies could open themselves up to further aggression should one side gain the upper hand and escalate. The problem is in the Amarr/Minmatar front, and I don't see the status quo changing until that problem is solved.

Sorry to say, but this war is not likely to end in the next decade or so.

-Eran
Noden Vorpalstar
The Knights of Polaris
#138 - 2014-02-19 17:27:38 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
Noden Vorpalstar wrote:
As for Ms. (Major) Dusette, I would wager she would better appreciate a fine dinner in a skyline restaurant, and non-partisan conversation over a few glasses of fine bourbon, rather than spiced wine. Perhaps followed by some rock climbing, planet side during the day.

I'm afraid if you'd made that wager then you'd have lost your bet sir, although it's flattering that you'd have placed it anyway.

I am certainly not a woman of class, Mr Vorpalstar - I curse a lot and in my spare time I enjoy murdering hapless explorers and industrialists. Although I do like to think I'm a woman of style, evidenced not only by my ship and fashion choices but also by my casual employment as a successful model and the meticulous care I take of both my figure and personal grooming. If you're bravely looking for some hints regarding my likes and dislikes then here's some things you should know about me sir.

  • I hate Empire space, despite my heart remaining loyal to the State. My days of living there are well behind me sir. I only ever visit when I need supplies, am doing a holoshoot, visiting my stylist or blowing up someones tractor unit. Although granted I have visited some stations there to simply relax and enjoy a synth-latte while passing through, it's not somewhere I enjoy staying for very long. So the concept of dinner in a restaurant is not at all appealing to me.

  • Fine food or classy dining itself holds little appeal for me. I'm sure some of the people who've accused me of being underweight would expect me to say that, however to me food is merely a necessary evil that I require to keep functioning. In fact when I discharged from active combat duties for the State I took with me a Badger full of out-of-date dried Caldari Navy rations. Those rations were the staple diet for my corporation's pilots for well over a year. Suffice to say the way to my heart is certainly not through my belly.

  • Did I mention I hate Empire space?

  • I do not drink alcohol sir. At most very rarely. Due to my small size even a small amount effects me tremendously and I'm honestly not a very good drunkard to be around. However I do smoke occasionally. It's my guilty pleasure and smoking helps me limit my cravings for food as well as being an excellent way of celebrating after a successful battle.

  • I love coffee. A lot. I especially enjoy caramel synth-lattes, nice and creamy with a couple of sugars and the milk poured in before the water. I also enjoy the occasional Quafe.

  • Rockclimbing does sound somewhat appealing as I do enjoy vigorous, regular exercise. However the only problem with that concept is rocks are mostly found on planets, typically those in Empire space. Refer to points one and three. Sure, there are planets in deep space too but if I enjoyed spending time on the ground I'd not have enlisted as a capsuleer.

Still think I'd be a nice person to date sir?

So what is my ideal date, I hear you thinking? Well honestly I am most comfortable in deep space, it is my home, and so my ideal date would take place there. Not only is the location exotic and intriguing but the journey and meeting itself means both parties need trust each other with their lives. This concept makes for an exciting, dangerous and primal atmosphere that gets the blood pumping even before the date itself occurs.

I have held a couple such dates in the past, and in a non-romantic sense I've also host many friends at my family's tower in Horizon. Typically guests are treated to the privacy and lavish decor of my personal quarters - spacious, warm and dimly lit with a large viewing window that overlooks our tower's infrastructure and gives commanding views of the system beyond. Basic food is provided along with a choice of drinks. The evening usually involves a lot of casual banter and chatter, perhaps a tour of the system itself, before the guest is escorted to our static exit. Occasionally people have stayed overnight.

A date with me is simple and comes with no frills, bells or whistles. But at the same time it is unique, exciting and somewhat terrifying. Although in any event I'm not looking for romance right now, but these are past examples that might shed some light on the person I am, Mr Vorpalstar.


Perhaps I'm the one who should be flattered by how calmly and elaborately you rejected me, Ms. (Major) Dusette.
I certainly did not feel I was asking you on a romantic date however, only a friendly dinner and conversation. Looking back I see my intent was unclear from the beginning.

I do respect your rejection of my offer.

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Cuci Cairi
#139 - 2014-02-19 17:32:36 UTC
Eran Mintor wrote:
I would argue that the reason the war hasn't stopped between the Caldari and Gallente is because their allies have reached no similar conclusions in regards to the cause of their war. Withdrawl of support for their allies could open themselves up to further aggression should one side gain the upper hand and escalate. The problem is in the Amarr/Minmatar front, and I don't see the status quo changing until that problem is solved.

Sorry to say, but this war is not likely to end in the next decade or so.

-Eran


This seems the most likely. Once the Caldari get enough of Caldari Prime back to satisfy them, it will be the alliances that are continuing the conflict.
Pontianak Sythaeryn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#140 - 2014-02-19 17:47:19 UTC
Noden Vorpalstar wrote:
Ms. Sythaeryn, you are absolutely correct. While the whole of the State may not wish for our destruction, the threat comes from those factions who do. And the risks associated with should those factions rise to power.


I haven't heard everything you've said around here, only some. However you need to redirect your energies towards the faction that actually supports real slavery, the Amarr, NOT the Caldari. The Caldari have their own brand of patriotism, and while it might look like on the "surface" to be slavery, it isn't. They don't go behind your back and put collars on you and force you to serve some corporate master or what not. (Well, most don't anyway).

The Amarr? They will take you away, and enslave you via the justification of their god, whether you believe in their god or not. I've SEEN them destroy families as they practice their slave trading. You want to make a difference? Start with the Amarr, NOT the Caldari. Or are you afraid of being taken as a slave yourself by the Amarr should you lose a confrontation with them, and thus expend your "patrotism" towards the Caldari instead as a "safer" target?