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Noden Vorpalstar
The Knights of Polaris
#261 - 2014-02-25 18:11:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Noden Vorpalstar
Pontianak Sythaeryn wrote:
I'm glad to see you've started to realize things are not always so Black and White. Tell me, are the Dragonaurs your main target at this point? Nasty group them...


I am unfamiliar with this organization and was unable to locate any information on them. However all information regarding targetted groups or individuals is classified and not for public consumption on the IGS.

Public Channel:  Polaris-Public Roleplaying Channel:  Gallente Lounge
Pontianak Sythaeryn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#262 - 2014-02-25 18:40:14 UTC
Noden Vorpalstar wrote:
I am unfamiliar with this organization and was unable to locate any information on them. However all information regarding targetted groups or individuals is classified and not for public consumption on the IGS.



*quirks an eyebrow* You aren't familiar with the Templis Dragnaurs? They are a super pro-Caldari terrorist group. Very very anti-Gallente that lot. Tibus Heth was rumored to have been a member, but that was never actually proven. I wouldn't be surprised if our favorite Caldari Diana was a member of the Dragnaurs, but I have no solid proof of that. Her talking points about what to do with Gallente living on Caldari Prime sounds a lot like a Dragaur would say though.... so there is that.
Noden Vorpalstar
The Knights of Polaris
#263 - 2014-02-25 19:33:35 UTC
Pontianak Sythaeryn wrote:
Noden Vorpalstar wrote:
I am unfamiliar with this organization and was unable to locate any information on them. However all information regarding targetted groups or individuals is classified and not for public consumption on the IGS.



*quirks an eyebrow* You aren't familiar with the Templis Dragnaurs? They are a super pro-Caldari terrorist group. Very very anti-Gallente that lot. Tibus Heth was rumored to have been a member, but that was never actually proven. I wouldn't be surprised if our favorite Caldari Diana was a member of the Dragnaurs, but I have no solid proof of that. Her talking points about what to do with Gallente living on Caldari Prime sounds a lot like a Dragaur would say though.... so there is that.


I have located the available public information and will conduct further research. I thank you.

Public Channel:  Polaris-Public Roleplaying Channel:  Gallente Lounge
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#264 - 2014-02-25 19:36:22 UTC
You can shoot all the Templis Dragonaurs you like, as far as I'm concerned.

They are officially a terrorist organisation and very much Wanted by the State for their crimes.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#265 - 2014-02-26 03:23:03 UTC
Noden Vorpalstar wrote:
Pontianak Sythaeryn wrote:
Noden Vorpalstar wrote:
I am unfamiliar with this organization and was unable to locate any information on them. However all information regarding targetted groups or individuals is classified and not for public consumption on the IGS.



*quirks an eyebrow* You aren't familiar with the Templis Dragnaurs? They are a super pro-Caldari terrorist group. Very very anti-Gallente that lot. Tibus Heth was rumored to have been a member, but that was never actually proven. I wouldn't be surprised if our favorite Caldari Diana was a member of the Dragnaurs, but I have no solid proof of that. Her talking points about what to do with Gallente living on Caldari Prime sounds a lot like a Dragaur would say though.... so there is that.


I have located the available public information and will conduct further research. I thank you.

There is at least one militia organization that proudly flew that flag, and only recently changed their name. Supposedly, they no longer champion Heth's ideals after he became unpopular, but I'll let you do your homework and decide if you believe that.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#266 - 2014-02-26 03:45:02 UTC
Something to note is that the Templis Dragonaurs were the ones who destroyed the dome of Nouvelle Rounevor, effectively causing the outbreak of the first Gallente- Caldari war. In addition, the Ultra-Nationalist used it as a casus beli to commence the unwarranted bombardment of Caldari Prime.

Were it not for these two groups, it's likely that the Caldari could of negotiated a settlement that would of kept them in the Federation or peacefully seceded.

Thankfully, the Dragonaurs have been labeled a terrorist organization, and essentially every U-Nat in power during the Gallente-Caldari war was put on trial and sentenced for war crimes, staining their political record so severely that they have trouble winning anything larger than a planet.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#267 - 2014-02-26 05:29:56 UTC
Quote:
They are officially a terrorist organisation and very much Wanted by the State for their crimes.


In the struggle for power within the State Templis Dragonaurs were on the losing side. The victors decided to classify them as criminals along with the Provist political block. To others they are seen as freedom fighters, Caldari loyalists, but the victor will always be the judge and the vanquished the accused.
Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#268 - 2014-02-26 05:46:17 UTC
While it's true that the victor often writes the history books, had the Dragonaurs "won", people would still consider the lot of you a group of terrorist bigots.

-Eran
Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#269 - 2014-02-26 05:47:59 UTC
TomHorn wrote:
Quote:
They are officially a terrorist organisation and very much Wanted by the State for their crimes.


In the struggle for power within the State Templis Dragonaurs were on the losing side. The victors decided to classify them as criminals along with the Provist political block. To others they are seen as freedom fighters, Caldari loyalists, but the victor will always be the judge and the vanquished the accused.

Yours is the first I've yet heard calling them anything else, sir. History is indeed written by the victors, but when both sides call them similarly, it's likely to have a ring of truth to it. Understandably, after so many years of acts like Nouvelle Rauvenor, their die is pretty much cast in the eyes of New Eden, barring some spectacular effort to reverse the trend.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#270 - 2014-02-26 05:51:04 UTC
TomHorn wrote:
Quote:
They are officially a terrorist organisation and very much Wanted by the State for their crimes.


In the struggle for power within the State Templis Dragonaurs were on the losing side. The victors decided to classify them as criminals along with the Provist political block. To others they are seen as freedom fighters, Caldari loyalists, but the victor will always be the judge and the vanquished the accused.


People win and lose for a reason Mr. Horn.

The reason the Dragonaurs lost is because their faction's beliefs are so abhorrent, revolting, and radical that even patriotic Caldari condemn their practices.

They are not freedom fighters. They brought a tyrant to power and kept him there.

They are not Caldari loyalists. While Caldari representatives toiled day and night for a peaceful resolution to their predicament with the Gallente, the Dragonaurs massacred an entire city. When the Caldari people outed Heth, the Dragonaurs stood by his side.

The Provist and Dragonaurs don't care about the Caldari, they care about themselves yet will manipulate and lie to make people think otherwise.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
Brock Yevikaan
#271 - 2014-02-26 14:36:03 UTC
TomHorn wrote:
Quote:
They are officially a terrorist organisation and very much Wanted by the State for their crimes.


In the struggle for power within the State Templis Dragonaurs were on the losing side. The victors decided to classify them as criminals along with the Provist political block. To others they are seen as freedom fighters, Caldari loyalists, but the victor will always be the judge and the vanquished the accused.


By "others" you mean you. Nobody speaks highly of Dragonaurs, especially now. When they were effective, some admired their ability. But nobody has considered them freedom fighters and nobody continues to admire their ability. The sun has set on their relevance. Time to catch up to the times, mister.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#272 - 2014-02-26 19:19:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
TomHorn wrote:
Quote:
They are officially a terrorist organisation and very much Wanted by the State for their crimes.


In the struggle for power within the State Templis Dragonaurs were on the losing side. The victors decided to classify them as criminals along with the Provist political block. To others they are seen as freedom fighters, Caldari loyalists, but the victor will always be the judge and the vanquished the accused.


To be fair, they were a criminal organisation up until the point that Heth decriminalised them and they simply returned to their former status after the former-executor's fall.

The Provists, as members or supporters of a formerly legitimate organisation (The CPD) are only criminals if they took part in the siege of Hatakain and resisted the CPD's disbandment.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#273 - 2014-02-26 21:52:16 UTC  |  Edited by: James Syagrius
Noden Vorpalstar wrote:
I have considered much of what has been said in the discussion here over the last week, and I thank everyone for their input both positive and negative.

My loyalty remains to defend The Federation, our people, and the ideals of Freedom and Justice. I would like to make clear that myself and my organization will operate independently of any political party within The Federation.

It is clear that not all factions within The Caldari State are hostile to The Federation, however it is those radicalized factions which will be targeted for defeat.

Those organizations within The State which are not radicalized will be considered and treated as neutral until they prove themselves otherwise.

Noden Vorpalstar
The Knights of Polaris

Msr. Vorpalstar, you will find as you ply the seas of Federal politics many friends, watch them the closest.

But for what its worth, I have learned, slowly and at times painfully, the virtue of trying to put oneself into the other man’s shoes, and of looking beyond rhetoric to the history that made him.

If the telling of history, for State and Federation, for the Caldari and Gallente is a mere matter of computing wrongs in the hope of a final moral victory, then we miss the point of the struggle entirely.

The story must be a means to a greater understanding.

In this we need men of vision.

Perhaps this idea finds its most poetic expression in a single line from an ancient saga, depicting a war between two city states.

In it a bereaved father muses...

“I get down on my knees and do what must be done and kiss his hand, the killer of my son.”.

Welcome Msr. Vorpalstar and good luck.

“Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#274 - 2014-02-26 22:09:32 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
You can shoot all the Templis Dragonaurs you like, as far as I'm concerned.

They are officially a terrorist organisation and very much Wanted by the State for their crimes.

They ARE NOT terrorists.
They are guerrilla fighters and patriots. And even worst of them is more loyal to Caldari that you will ever be, Tuulinen-haan.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Pontianak Sythaeryn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#275 - 2014-02-26 22:35:49 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
They ARE NOT terrorists.
They are guerrilla fighters and patriots. And even worst of them is more loyal to Caldari that you will ever be, Tuulinen-haan.


Sounds like you have a healthy respect for them. Are you proud enough to count yourself among their number, or more cowardly and just stay docked all the time?
Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#276 - 2014-02-26 23:29:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Saya Ishikari
Pontianak Sythaeryn wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
They ARE NOT terrorists.
They are guerrilla fighters and patriots. And even worst of them is more loyal to Caldari that you will ever be, Tuulinen-haan.


Sounds like you have a healthy respect for them. Are you proud enough to count yourself among their number, or more cowardly and just stay docked all the time?

You'll find it much more worthwhile to stuff that one on your block list and assume she's an idiot, Miss Sythaeryn... In fact, no assumption is necessary. The more people who cease arguing their minds with the mindless, the faster they'll end up consigned to the dust bin of history, forgotten, as it should be.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117
Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#277 - 2014-02-26 23:40:03 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:
Noden Vorpalstar wrote:
I have considered much of what has been said in the discussion here over the last week, and I thank everyone for their input both positive and negative.

My loyalty remains to defend The Federation, our people, and the ideals of Freedom and Justice. I would like to make clear that myself and my organization will operate independently of any political party within The Federation.

It is clear that not all factions within The Caldari State are hostile to The Federation, however it is those radicalized factions which will be targeted for defeat.

Those organizations within The State which are not radicalized will be considered and treated as neutral until they prove themselves otherwise.

Noden Vorpalstar
The Knights of Polaris

Msr. Vorpalstar, you will find as you ply the seas of Federal politics may friends, watch them the closest.

But for what its worth, I have learned, slowly and at times painfully, the virtue of trying to put oneself into the other man’s shoes, and of looking beyond rhetoric to the history that made him.

If the telling of history, for State and Federation, for the Caldari and Gallente is a mere matter of computing wrongs in the hope of a final moral victory, then we miss the point of the struggle entirely.

The story must be a means to a greater understanding.

In this we need men of vision.

Perhaps this idea finds its most poetic expression in a single line from an ancient saga, depicting a war between two city states.

In it a bereaved father muses...

“I get down on my knees and do what must be done and kiss his hand, the killer of my son.”.

Welcome Msr. Vorpalstar and good luck.

Thats... Very apt, really. What's the title if said epic? I'd like to procure a copy.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#278 - 2014-02-27 00:28:37 UTC
Saya Ishikari wrote:
Pontianak Sythaeryn wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
They ARE NOT terrorists.
They are guerrilla fighters and patriots. And even worst of them is more loyal to Caldari that you will ever be, Tuulinen-haan.


Sounds like you have a healthy respect for them. Are you proud enough to count yourself among their number, or more cowardly and just stay docked all the time?

You'll find it much more worthwhile to stuff that one on your block list and assume she's an idiot, Miss Sythaeryn... In fact, no assumption is necessary. The more people who cease arguing their minds with the mindless, the faster they'll end up consigned to the dust bin of history, forgotten, as it should be.

But, keeping her around is so much more useful, it gives everyone a subject they can agree on. Besides, listening to the insult comedians is fun too. She's an easy target.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#279 - 2014-02-27 01:13:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Saya Ishikari
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Saya Ishikari wrote:
Pontianak Sythaeryn wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
They ARE NOT terrorists.
They are guerrilla fighters and patriots. And even worst of them is more loyal to Caldari that you will ever be, Tuulinen-haan.


Sounds like you have a healthy respect for them. Are you proud enough to count yourself among their number, or more cowardly and just stay docked all the time?

You'll find it much more worthwhile to stuff that one on your block list and assume she's an idiot, Miss Sythaeryn... In fact, no assumption is necessary. The more people who cease arguing their minds with the mindless, the faster they'll end up consigned to the dust bin of history, forgotten, as it should be.

But, keeping her around is so much more useful, it gives everyone a subject they can agree on. Besides, listening to the insult comedians is fun too. She's an easy target.

I don't find unceasing stupidity amusing, Miss Osyn. Or broken sound bytes stuck on a perpetual loop, useful. But to each their own, I suppose.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#280 - 2014-02-27 01:18:34 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
You can shoot all the Templis Dragonaurs you like, as far as I'm concerned.

They are officially a terrorist organisation and very much Wanted by the State for their crimes.

They ARE NOT terrorists.
They are guerrilla fighters and patriots. And even worst of them is more loyal to Caldari that you will ever be, Tuulinen-haan.


No, keep going Kim-haani. Every time you open your mouth to tell everyone who you admire you give us an even better look at your character.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.