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Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#1 - 2014-02-15 05:05:38 UTC
CCP is upping their minimum system requirement to Lion:

CCP Veritas wrote:
Greetings Fruit-Computer-Using Spacefriends,

This summer we’re going to be releasing some foundation technology updates to the Macintosh client for EVE Online. As can happen with such things, we need to update our minimum supported OS version to one that supports the new hotness. Specifically we’ll start requiring OS X 10.7 – Lion. If you’re one of those folks using a Leopard version, Snow variety or otherwise, you need to upgrade to at least Lion in order to continue flying the unfriendly skies.

We haven’t got a date pinned down for this exactly but it should land somewhere in May or June. I’m hopeful that giving a few months warning allows everyone to make time for the update so this is a smooth transition for all involved.


I'm optimistic about this, but I can afford to be: I'm already on 10.9.

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Call Rollard
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-02-15 16:14:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Call Rollard
Since 10.9 is free to download anyway so there isn't any need to buy anything, just go onto app store and download from there (And give yourself a few hours). Most games are upping their requirements to 10.7 now and won't work on anything lower. My move from Snow Leopard to Mavericks was smooth Blink
Pic'n dor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2014-02-15 22:39:20 UTC
Quote:
we’re going to be releasing some foundation technology updates to the Macintosh client for EVE Online


Can we expect an overall cider revamp ?
Or a "better than cider you will love it" piece of technology ?
Or even a native openGL client of doom because CCP DEV TEAM ROX ?


Software > upgrading to OS10.7 mini, that's a pretty easy move for us.
Hardware > any change ?

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Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#4 - 2014-02-19 17:17:50 UTC
Pic'n dor wrote:
Quote:
we’re going to be releasing some foundation technology updates to the Macintosh client for EVE Online


Can we expect an overall cider revamp ?
Or a "better than cider you will love it" piece of technology ?
Or even a native openGL client of doom because CCP DEV TEAM ROX ?


Software > upgrading to OS10.7 mini, that's a pretty easy move for us.
Hardware > any change ?


I think 10.9's hardware requirements move the minimum up about two years; I'm not 100% sure on that. Unless you're running a more than 5 year old Mac, I wouldn't worry.

I'd expect a later and greater version of Cider. How much greater is an open question; TransGaming is quite coy about Cider's feature set.

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Phloebas
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2014-02-20 18:03:22 UTC
Will a late 2008 Macbook fit 10.9? Or am I better off sticking with 10.8? I am currently running Snow Leopard so will have to upgrade to continue playing the game.
I recently upgraded to 4MB Ram and have a SSD on order so don't really want to change computers just now after putting £200 into it in the last week.
Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#6 - 2014-02-20 18:09:21 UTC
Phloebas wrote:
Will a late 2008 Macbook fit 10.9? Or am I better off sticking with 10.8? I am currently running Snow Leopard so will have to upgrade to continue playing the game.


You should probably stick with 10.8.

Phloebas wrote:
I recently upgraded to 4MB Ram and have a SSD on order so don't really want to change computers just now after putting £200 into it in the last week.


4GB RAM, yes? Shocked

That's pretty much the minimum that EVE will comfortably run in. More is obviously better, but I ran EVE on 4GB RAM on a mid-2008 iMac for two years, successfully.

That said, it might be time to start saving your pence for a new machine.

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Galen Dnari
Dnari Mining and Manufacturing
#7 - 2014-02-21 17:56:57 UTC
Giving a few months' warning gives people time to procrastinate until the last minute (or later) and then complain that CCP didn't give enough warning that they were upping the system requirements. :-)

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Darryn Lowe
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2014-02-22 02:14:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Darryn Lowe
Dersen Lowery wrote:
Pic'n dor wrote:
Quote:
we’re going to be releasing some foundation technology updates to the Macintosh client for EVE Online


Can we expect an overall cider revamp ?
Or a "better than cider you will love it" piece of technology ?
Or even a native openGL client of doom because CCP DEV TEAM ROX ?


Software > upgrading to OS10.7 mini, that's a pretty easy move for us.
Hardware > any change ?


I think 10.9's hardware requirements move the minimum up about two years; I'm not 100% sure on that. Unless you're running a more than 5 year old Mac, I wouldn't worry.

I'd expect a later and greater version of Cider. How much greater is an open question; TransGaming is quite coy about Cider's feature set.

Actually if I recall 10.9 moves the hardware requirements back a year to 2008. I could be wrong but I read that somewhere unless it was moving it back to 2009. I can't for the life of me remember which. Either way it doesn't affect me because I'm middle of the road with 2011 and have been blissfully running 10.9 since the day it was released. :-)

Galen Dnari wrote:
Giving a few months' warning gives people time to procrastinate until the last minute (or later) and then complain that CCP didn't give enough warning that they were upping the system requirements. :-)

Mac users aren't Windows users. Blink
Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#9 - 2014-02-22 22:36:15 UTC
I must be dense, but I just figured out why the Mac client is getting an update, and roughly what we can expect: There's a thread about running EVE for Windows under the latest WINE build, and how much better it is than the current Mac client--with a couple of exceptions.

If CCP can iron out those exceptions and wrap EVE around the latest and greatest WINE, then we already have a pretty good sense from that thread of the sort of improvement we can look forward to.

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Darryn Lowe
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2014-02-23 00:50:05 UTC
Dersen Lowery wrote:
I must be dense, but I just figured out why the Mac client is getting an update, and roughly what we can expect: There's a thread about running EVE for Windows under the latest WINE build, and how much better it is than the current Mac client--with a couple of exceptions.

If CCP can iron out those exceptions and wrap EVE around the latest and greatest WINE, then we already have a pretty good sense from that thread of the sort of improvement we can look forward to.

I've just got it running myself under Wine and the difference is night and day. I'm not sure how you'd make a client for a Wine wrapper though. There's a lot of effort getting the client up and running and it's got some issues with the display flickering every so often and can't run the station environment which is a waste of time anyway so no real big issue.

It's not perfect but it's currently better than the official client
Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#11 - 2014-02-23 01:02:59 UTC
Darryn Lowe wrote:
Dersen Lowery wrote:
I must be dense, but I just figured out why the Mac client is getting an update, and roughly what we can expect: There's a thread about running EVE for Windows under the latest WINE build, and how much better it is than the current Mac client--with a couple of exceptions.

If CCP can iron out those exceptions and wrap EVE around the latest and greatest WINE, then we already have a pretty good sense from that thread of the sort of improvement we can look forward to.

I've just got it running myself under Wine and the difference is night and day. I'm not sure how you'd make a client for a Wine wrapper though. There's a lot of effort getting the client up and running and it's got some issues with the display flickering every so often and can't run the station environment which is a waste of time anyway so no real big issue.

It's not perfect but it's currently better than the official client


Yes, those are the glitches that CCP would have to sort out. However, they're in a better position to sort those out than any of us are. Configuration is not an issue; they're paying Cedega to take care of that part.

The vastly superior performance is enough of a carrot, clearly, and for metrics reasons CCP would rather have Mac users running the Mac client so that they have accurate numbers. The easiest way to do that is to have the Mac client perform well.

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Amarisen Gream
The.Kin.of.Jupiter
#12 - 2014-02-24 05:51:07 UTC
My first iMac was a 2008, it updated to 10.9 no problem...
Now the hardware is a different thing.
So glad that when the old one went "crazy"/retired, I bought 2012 iMac. haven't felt bad about that at all.

"The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger All of his fury and rage. He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels" - The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1

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Amarisen Gream
The.Kin.of.Jupiter
#13 - 2014-02-24 05:56:41 UTC
Dersen Lowery wrote:
Darryn Lowe wrote:
Dersen Lowery wrote:
I must be dense, but I just figured out why the Mac client is getting an update, and roughly what we can expect: There's a thread about running EVE for Windows under the latest WINE build, and how much better it is than the current Mac client--with a couple of exceptions.

If CCP can iron out those exceptions and wrap EVE around the latest and greatest WINE, then we already have a pretty good sense from that thread of the sort of improvement we can look forward to.

I've just got it running myself under Wine and the difference is night and day. I'm not sure how you'd make a client for a Wine wrapper though. There's a lot of effort getting the client up and running and it's got some issues with the display flickering every so often and can't run the station environment which is a waste of time anyway so no real big issue.

It's not perfect but it's currently better than the official client


Yes, those are the glitches that CCP would have to sort out. However, they're in a better position to sort those out than any of us are. Configuration is not an issue; they're paying Cedega to take care of that part.

The vastly superior performance is enough of a carrot, clearly, and for metrics reasons CCP would rather have Mac users running the Mac client so that they have accurate numbers. The easiest way to do that is to have the Mac client perform well.


I have run both > and more most things I still prefer the mac client vs the wine one. (mostly the keyboard shortcuts).

Heres the big kicker > if you can have a bunch your players work out the kinks > stop paying transgaming however much they pay them for the rights to their software and move to supporting your own wine bundle, you (CCP) would save a ton of cash. Maybe even enough to hire a guy or two to help maintain said wine wrapped client for mac.

Also seeing as the wine version has more features then the mac one (twitch), you wouldn't be limiting players to content b/c of computer code issues.

***Thats my take on it***

"The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger All of his fury and rage. He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels" - The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1

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