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SOE Nestor - trash?

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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-02-14 22:42:20 UTC  |  Edited by: LUMINOUS SPIRIT
So its been a month, I havent seen a single nestor out there.

Im not really surprised, its trash in its current form - For RR farming dominix is better and cheaper, for probing you use frigates/cruisers, cant warp cloaked, no RR range, dps is mediocre at best, 6/6/7 layout you really cant fit it for pvp...

I propose to let it use cov ops cloak. That way it will have a role as blops medic, at least, so ppl dont have to use a pilgrim of all things.... and no it wont be overpowered, 4-5 laser guns and 5 drones is about the same as a black ops battleship - and costs about the same if not more.

EDIT - also, nestor is butt-ugly. Whichever dev designed it - sorry bro, you dropped the ball, badly. Stratios is best-looking ship out there, but nestor? looks like a butt-plug man.
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-02-14 22:44:19 UTC
Yes to the trash. No to the covops cloak. Maybe to being bridgable by other blops (for logi purposes).
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-02-14 22:48:09 UTC  |  Edited by: LUMINOUS SPIRIT
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Yes to the trash. No to the covops cloak. Maybe to being bridgable by other blops (for logi purposes).



why not cov ops cloak? stratios with 4 blasters and 4 sentries can put out 850 dps, a nestor wil have 1000 dps and a mediocre tank. Thats not really that big of a difference, and remember nestor would cost 1.5bil. i really dont see an issue with a platform thats slightly better then a stratios for 6x the cost. Yes it can warp cloaked, yes it puts out 1000dps, so what - all battleships can put out 1000 dps, its not really overpowered.

EDIT - with max skills, a nestor puts out 1250 dps at 20km (gardes and pulses). 600 at 40-50km. thats not very good to be honest.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#4 - 2014-02-14 22:49:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
No to covops cloak. But let it jump to covert cynos. Then it would be a fantastic combat exploration battleship and replace the sin in its pve role.

As for "why no covops cloak" the answer is because it is a battleship. This is sufficient enough.

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Pix Severus
Empty You
#5 - 2014-02-14 22:49:20 UTC
I've seen one since it was released.

I'd assume it's a pretty big gank target too, there's a lot of people out there who don't have one on their killboard yet.

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Kimmi Chan
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#6 - 2014-02-14 22:49:42 UTC
Nestor is trash.

People pay 1.5b ISK for said trash.

People are funny and/or stupid.

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PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-02-14 22:51:50 UTC
You're not getting a decent covops fitted PvE boat. You're just not, for the same exact reason that the stratios gets 4 sentry drones instead of 5. Also, lol @ blaster fit for farming.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-02-14 22:52:00 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Nestor is trash.

People pay 1.5b ISK for said trash.

People are funny and/or stupid.


people DONT pay, look at jita, barely any units moved per day. 1.5bn is the raw LP cost, anything else and it becomes more profitable to sell sisters probe launchers.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-02-14 22:53:48 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
You're not getting a decent covops fitted PvE boat. You're just not, for the same exact reason that the stratios gets 4 sentry drones instead of 5. Also, lol @ blaster fit for farming.


farming? i use my stratios as gank cloaky ishtar for pvp. less dps but cloak - good tradeoff.

as to PvE cloaky boat - thats a contradiction. Once you begin a site, youre not cloaky anymore, so its kind of amoot point whether you have cloak or not.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
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Caldari State
#10 - 2014-02-14 22:54:52 UTC
Batelle wrote:

As for "why no covops cloak" the answer is because it is a battleship. This is sufficient enough.


Why? why are battleships special? explain please.
deathghost
BIG BUTT SMACKERS
#11 - 2014-02-14 23:00:48 UTC
ccp knows the nester sux but people in Iceland have this "I will not admit Im wrong" thing going on and " I will not apologize for anything" it is their culture. Has anybody ever heard ccp say you guys are right we ****** up, sorry guys? But its cool nobody is gonna fly the thing so no big deal
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-02-14 23:04:59 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
For RR farming dominix

You mention farming here, hence why I mentioned the pve.

LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
as to PvE cloaky boat - thats a contradiction. Once you begin a site, youre not cloaky anymore, so its kind of amoot point whether you have cloak or not.

No, but you are cloaky when going from system to system, and when warping from site to site, and when hitting a bounce above a gate, etc. etc. What many people in both the stratios and nestor F&I thread wanted was a safer, more effective cloaky pve boat. The very concept screws with the risk v reward balance in Eve.

The only logical reason to ask for a covops battleship is pve. For PvP a blops is better in every practical sense. Furthermore, a "blops logi battleship" does not need a covops cloak to be effective, as shown by the current blops battleships themselves.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#13 - 2014-02-14 23:32:07 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:

EDIT - with max skills, a nestor puts out 1250 dps at 20km (gardes and pulses). 600 at 40-50km. thats not very good to be honest.

15 seconds in EFT gave me a fit that does 800dps at 45km with gardes and dual heavy pulse with standard L (nonfaction). Only two damage mods and no damage rigs. I'm sure I could do better.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Batelle wrote:

As for "why no covops cloak" the answer is because it is a battleship. This is sufficient enough.

Why? why are battleships special? explain please.

Yes, because they're special. Which is also the reason CCP cited when saying they would never give any battleship hac-level resistances.

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Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-02-15 00:03:30 UTC
My Ishtar can top a Nestor in DPS and effective tank.......

......and that bit about BSs being special is tripe that they need to get over.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2014-02-15 00:12:56 UTC
Not so much trash as overpriced.

- they are worth almost as much as a carrier and making a battleship with highsec access that has the same capabilities as a carrier is not an option
- the current price (as also with the Astero and Stratios) is fixed by the SOE LP/ISK ratio which is actually determined by the sale of sisters probes virtual implants and so forth not SOE ship demand.

The recently announced proposed solution to this is the intention to drop Astero/Stratios/Nestor BPC in drone space.

Whether enough will drop to cause a significant price drop remains to be seen.
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#16 - 2014-02-15 00:22:05 UTC
Mine hasn't been undocked since I have built it. I think the main reason why you don't see them too much is because they are gank bait right now, and will continue to be so until the prices drop on them significantly. Also, in agreement with the others, a covert ops cloak would be kind of silly on a BS. If you're gonna do that, might as well let capital ships put them on too.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-02-15 00:23:59 UTC
I didn't buy one because they are trash.

Pure, unmitigated, rat poop trash. At rattlesnake prices they would be crap.
Karle Tabot
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2014-02-15 00:24:23 UTC
If the marketplace determines they are overpriced, their price is going to fall unless CCP causes them to be bought at the inflated prices.

My brief time in the game has been sufficient to realize that the worst time to buy a new "hawked" item is right after it has been introduced. The value naturally falls over time after they are introduced into the game, unless the players under-estimated the value of the ship. That seems unlikely in the case of the Nestor.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-02-15 00:27:42 UTC
Karle Tabot wrote:
If the marketplace determines they are overpriced, their price is going to fall unless CCP causes them to be bought at the inflated prices.

My brief time in the game has been sufficient to realize that the worst time to buy a new "hawked" item is right after it has been introduced. The value naturally falls over time after they are introduced into the game, unless the players under-estimated the value of the ship. That seems unlikely in the case of the Nestor.



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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#20 - 2014-02-15 00:28:01 UTC
Meh.

If I went back in time and told myself back in say 2009 that there would be a SoE battleship class I'd have been stoked beyond words.

I don't know if you guys seen the F&I thread on this, but you can trade in Nexus chips for a Nestor with SoE - or so they plan. Yes, some drone drop for this ship.

(It does fit in perfectly with the storyline though)

There has to be something about this ship that would make it worth the cost, or they need to drop the LP cost. Lower the price or make it worth the price.

A lot of people were hoping for a ship that could do deep space and extended wormhole exploration unsupported - which would have been in line with SoE principles and exploration usage. All we have here is a very expensive battleship that pretends it's a logistics ship crossed with a pocket carrier and excels in neither by ability or "cost per functionality" meaning if I can turn a bolt with a 5 dollar wrench I don't need to get a 100 dollar wrench to turn the same bolt.


And they teased us make it look like it could contain smaller ships too.




What a disappointment. Sad

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