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Are Links Too Much?

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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#221 - 2014-03-31 20:55:18 UTC
Gypsio III wrote:
The on/off grid thing is a smokescreen, links are hugely overpowered wherever they are. In a world where we pay around 60-100 mill for a single ship to increase its tackle range by 25-40%, the existence of a 2 mill mod that gives 24% range to every ship in your fleet is absurdly OP.



Which 2 mil mod are you talking about?

Oh - the one that needs a toon trained for 9 months + 360 mil mindlink + a command ship that can be killed at anytime just like any other toon/pod.








Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#222 - 2014-03-31 20:58:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Gypsio III
No. The 2 mill one fitted on a T1 BC without a mindlink. If I played by your rules, it would be 34.5%. Blink

And the SP requirement is simply a barrier to exclude new players. If you're going to have such stupidly overpowered modules, then they need to be available to everyone.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#223 - 2014-03-31 21:05:01 UTC
Gypsio III wrote:
No. The 2 mill one fitted on a T1 BC without a mindlink.

And the SP requirement is simply a barrier to exclude new players. If you're going to have such stupidly overpowered modules, then they need to be available to everyone.



The modules are available to everyone. That is the entire point.
Just like hauler alts, mining alts, mission alts or any other alt that gives an advantage over having one toon in eve.

In your theory - all beginners should have access to a Titan cause you know..... SP barriers.


And a link on a T1 BC is not that powerful. (Excluding maybe one of the info ones).
Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#224 - 2014-03-31 23:29:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Gypsio III
I just told you that a link on a T1 BC gives 24% to tackle range! It converts your entire gang's T2 points into RF ones, at a cost of 2 mill instead of 130 mill per ship. If you think that's not a huge difference, you need to use links more!

The point is not in who the advantage is available to, it is the that the magnitude of the advantage is too great.
Bloodmyst Ranwar
Menace of Morons
#225 - 2014-03-31 23:58:18 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
Lilith Velkor wrote:
Aivo Dresden wrote:
Not quite sure why people say 'T3s need to be rebalanced if they are required to boost on grid'. You can already tank them up quite effectively. If you want to do better, get a command ship. T3s shouldn't outperform CS really.


I dont get that either, as it stands you'll get acceptable tank, cloaky warp, bubble immunity and workable dps, all while running a warfare link.

Now name a command ship that does that, and we can talk about t3 needing a buff in that regard.



About all the "probe it down, alpha on station etc" suggestions, you have to realize the actual problem is not large-scale pvp, links are absolutely fine there.

The problem is with small-scale and solo pvp, where they tend to upset a very fragile balance, mostly when we are talking frigate size hulls. The whole "alpha on station" deal is gonna be a problem in frigate hulls, as is the "decloak and kill on gate" if you dont have the luxury of a decent size gang.

Besides, and please excuse my ignorance regarding hisec mechanics, I believe concord will not really like you attacking a booster ship that didnt commit a crime.


EVE is not solo game, get some friends, and you you can suicide gank booster ships in highsec, they do gank even miners so why not booster ships.


Always grinds my gears when people say this..

Eve is a solo game, just like it is a small gang & large scale PvP game. It's sandbox remember?

The problem is off-grid links NOT ONLY has such a large impact on Solo PvP, but ALSO small gang PvP. I have no doubt in my mind off-grid boosts will eventually get nerfed, giving such a large advantage whilst being so risk adverse simply doesn't make sense. Think about it, if they were willing to nerf ECM not long ago (falcon alts), it's inevitable off-grid boosts will be as well. I think I speak for many when I say I'd rather deal with a Falcon on grid then an off-grid booster.

People say highsec carebears are bad.... Some of you proclaimed "PvP'ers" need to start putting your balls on the field and man up.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#226 - 2014-04-01 00:09:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Bloodmyst Ranwar wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:
Lilith Velkor wrote:
Aivo Dresden wrote:
Not quite sure why people say 'T3s need to be rebalanced if they are required to boost on grid'. You can already tank them up quite effectively. If you want to do better, get a command ship. T3s shouldn't outperform CS really.


I dont get that either, as it stands you'll get acceptable tank, cloaky warp, bubble immunity and workable dps, all while running a warfare link.

Now name a command ship that does that, and we can talk about t3 needing a buff in that regard.



About all the "probe it down, alpha on station etc" suggestions, you have to realize the actual problem is not large-scale pvp, links are absolutely fine there.

The problem is with small-scale and solo pvp, where they tend to upset a very fragile balance, mostly when we are talking frigate size hulls. The whole "alpha on station" deal is gonna be a problem in frigate hulls, as is the "decloak and kill on gate" if you dont have the luxury of a decent size gang.

Besides, and please excuse my ignorance regarding hisec mechanics, I believe concord will not really like you attacking a booster ship that didnt commit a crime.


EVE is not solo game, get some friends, and you you can suicide gank booster ships in highsec, they do gank even miners so why not booster ships.


Always grinds my gears when people say this..

Eve is a solo game, just like it is a small gang & large scale PvP game. It's sandbox remember?

The problem is off-grid links NOT ONLY has such a large impact on Solo PvP, but ALSO small gang PvP. I have no doubt in my mind off-grid boosts will eventually get nerfed, giving such a large advantage whilst being so risk adverse simply doesn't make sense. Think about it, if they were willing to nerf ECM not long ago (falcon alts), it's inevitable off-grid boosts will be as well. I think I speak for many when I say I'd rather deal with a Falcon on grid then an off-grid booster.

People say highsec carebears are bad.... Some of you proclaimed "PvP'ers" need to start putting your balls on the field and man up.


EvE Literraly stands for Everyone vs Everyone. There is little basis to support focussed 1v1 balancing.

Balance has been and always should be based on individual roles, not flying alone.

Your choice to go hard mode solo should not be at the expense of other peoples specialised characters who are trained to fill specific roles.

Though, i can understand. If i went hard mode solo and got spanked day in day out like you do, i perhaps would see it your way too.
Bloodmyst Ranwar
Menace of Morons
#227 - 2014-04-01 00:33:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloodmyst Ranwar
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Bloodmyst Ranwar wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:
Lilith Velkor wrote:
Aivo Dresden wrote:
Not quite sure why people say 'T3s need to be rebalanced if they are required to boost on grid'. You can already tank them up quite effectively. If you want to do better, get a command ship. T3s shouldn't outperform CS really.


I dont get that either, as it stands you'll get acceptable tank, cloaky warp, bubble immunity and workable dps, all while running a warfare link.

Now name a command ship that does that, and we can talk about t3 needing a buff in that regard.



About all the "probe it down, alpha on station etc" suggestions, you have to realize the actual problem is not large-scale pvp, links are absolutely fine there.

The problem is with small-scale and solo pvp, where they tend to upset a very fragile balance, mostly when we are talking frigate size hulls. The whole "alpha on station" deal is gonna be a problem in frigate hulls, as is the "decloak and kill on gate" if you dont have the luxury of a decent size gang.

Besides, and please excuse my ignorance regarding hisec mechanics, I believe concord will not really like you attacking a booster ship that didnt commit a crime.


EVE is not solo game, get some friends, and you you can suicide gank booster ships in highsec, they do gank even miners so why not booster ships.


Always grinds my gears when people say this..

Eve is a solo game, just like it is a small gang & large scale PvP game. It's sandbox remember?

The problem is off-grid links NOT ONLY has such a large impact on Solo PvP, but ALSO small gang PvP. I have no doubt in my mind off-grid boosts will eventually get nerfed, giving such a large advantage whilst being so risk adverse simply doesn't make sense. Think about it, if they were willing to nerf ECM not long ago (falcon alts), it's inevitable off-grid boosts will be as well. I think I speak for many when I say I'd rather deal with a Falcon on grid then an off-grid booster.

People say highsec carebears are bad.... Some of you proclaimed "PvP'ers" need to start putting your balls on the field and man up.


EvE Literraly stands for Everyone vs Everyone. There is little basis to support focussed 1v1 balancing.

Balance has been and always should be based on individual roles, not flying alone.

Your choice to go hard mode solo should not be at the expense of other peoples specialised characters who are trained to fill specific roles.

Though, i can understand. If i went hard mode solo and got spanked day in day out like you do, i perhaps would see it your way too.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, gotta' love the little poke in the end of your post. Was this an attempt to "make me mad?"

Yeah, it is "Everyone Vs Everyone," I'm apart of "Everyone" right? I just choose to fight against Everyone (wow, I just confused myself! haha)

I quiet enjoy the challenge of solo, ganking and blobbing I don't really fancy. No challenge, but each to their own.

And yeah, I do agree with you. T3 boosts are a ***** to deal with when soloing, especially when the guy your going up against is also claiming to be "solo" as well (*cough, cough T3 boosts*). But, you know personally I just don't engage these guys anymore, period. There are many other targets out there to pew pew at. :)

However, I like how you failed to mention the impact on small gang PvP.

Based on individual roles huh? Can we get a cloaky ship that perma-jams up to 20 ships on field whilst also being able to provide boosts to the whole fleet into the game? Yeah, that's not broken... that's the role of the ship!!!!

Your post really is foolish, and the hostility is entertaining to say the least.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#228 - 2014-04-01 00:40:56 UTC
Bloodmyst Ranwar wrote:

Your post really is foolish, and the hostility is entertaining to say the least.


Not hostility, empathy. Anyone that dies as much as you has 2 choices;

1. Get better at what they do.
2. Complain on the forums.

Both are valid, do continue.
Bloodmyst Ranwar
Menace of Morons
#229 - 2014-04-01 00:46:17 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Bloodmyst Ranwar wrote:

Your post really is foolish, and the hostility is entertaining to say the least.


Not hostility, empathy. Anyone that dies as much as you has 2 choices;

1. Get better at what they do.
2. Complain on the forums.

Both are valid, do continue.



I do both sweetheart, is there a problem with that? As a matter of fact, my only complaint ever, in relation to PvP has been about off-grid boosts.

Must say I'm not doing too bad in comparison to some others out there. Cool
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#230 - 2014-04-01 01:02:50 UTC
Bloodmyst Ranwar wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:
Lilith Velkor wrote:
Aivo Dresden wrote:
Not quite sure why people say 'T3s need to be rebalanced if they are required to boost on grid'. You can already tank them up quite effectively. If you want to do better, get a command ship. T3s shouldn't outperform CS really.


I dont get that either, as it stands you'll get acceptable tank, cloaky warp, bubble immunity and workable dps, all while running a warfare link.

Now name a command ship that does that, and we can talk about t3 needing a buff in that regard.



About all the "probe it down, alpha on station etc" suggestions, you have to realize the actual problem is not large-scale pvp, links are absolutely fine there.

The problem is with small-scale and solo pvp, where they tend to upset a very fragile balance, mostly when we are talking frigate size hulls. The whole "alpha on station" deal is gonna be a problem in frigate hulls, as is the "decloak and kill on gate" if you dont have the luxury of a decent size gang.

Besides, and please excuse my ignorance regarding hisec mechanics, I believe concord will not really like you attacking a booster ship that didnt commit a crime.


EVE is not solo game, get some friends, and you you can suicide gank booster ships in highsec, they do gank even miners so why not booster ships.


Always grinds my gears when people say this..

Eve is a solo game, just like it is a small gang & large scale PvP game. It's sandbox remember?

The problem is off-grid links NOT ONLY has such a large impact on Solo PvP, but ALSO small gang PvP. I have no doubt in my mind off-grid boosts will eventually get nerfed, giving such a large advantage whilst being so risk adverse simply doesn't make sense. Think about it, if they were willing to nerf ECM not long ago (falcon alts), it's inevitable off-grid boosts will be as well. I think I speak for many when I say I'd rather deal with a Falcon on grid then an off-grid booster.

People say highsec carebears are bad.... Some of you proclaimed "PvP'ers" need to start putting your balls on the field and man up.



Expecting solo in an MMO is beyond silly.
If you want a solo game try Tetris.

If concord are an issue for you -
Then you need to adapt and remove them from the equation by pvping in low or null sec and stop being risk averse by wanting NPC protection.

It is 100% your own doing if concord are available in the system you 'pvp' in. (Pretending high sec pvp is real pvp just for you cause I'm a nice guy)

You have the issue so you need to adapt - Not the people you refuse to compete with.

You say you would really rather a Falcon on field than a booster be used??? Really????
I somehow doubt that is true.
Other people would rather be able to fire/web/scram than just die with no ability to fight back. (Except you of course)

CCP might nerf boosts further but their bottom line will suffer considerably.
The people who use boosts are not against saving $15 a month.

It is people like yourself who are against others spending an extra $15 a month who have the issue.

What will you want removed if boosts go? You will need another excuse for your failure then. ECM? Damps? Combat Alts? Larger corps?
Bloodmyst Ranwar
Menace of Morons
#231 - 2014-04-01 01:25:47 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:

Expecting solo in an MMO is beyond silly.
If you want a solo game try Tetris.

If concord are an issue for you -
Then you need to adapt and remove them from the equation by pvping in low or null sec and stop being risk averse by wanting NPC protection.

It is 100% your own doing if concord are available in the system you 'pvp' in. (Pretending high sec pvp is real pvp just for you cause I'm a nice guy)

You have the issue so you need to adapt - Not the people you refuse to compete with.

You say you would really rather a Falcon on field than a booster be used??? Really????
I somehow doubt that is true.
Other people would rather be able to fire/web/scram than just die with no ability to fight back. (Except you of course)

CCP might nerf boosts further but their bottom line will suffer considerably.
The people who use boosts are not against saving $15 a month.

It is people like yourself who are against others spending an extra $15 a month who have the issue.

What will you want removed if boosts go? You will need another excuse for your failure then. ECM? Damps? Combat Alts? Larger corps?


Expecting solo in an MMO is beyond silly? I think this video disagrees with you.

Yes I would much rather a Falcon on grid, because it's still very viable to split targets away from the Falcon where they have no impact on the fight. Very hard, yes... but it's achievable. No matter what you do, a T3 off-grid booster will always have an impact.


IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#232 - 2014-04-01 05:23:05 UTC  |  Edited by: IbanezLaney
Bloodmyst Ranwar wrote:
IbanezLaney wrote:

Expecting solo in an MMO is beyond silly.
If you want a solo game try Tetris.

If concord are an issue for you -
Then you need to adapt and remove them from the equation by pvping in low or null sec and stop being risk averse by wanting NPC protection.

It is 100% your own doing if concord are available in the system you 'pvp' in. (Pretending high sec pvp is real pvp just for you cause I'm a nice guy)

You have the issue so you need to adapt - Not the people you refuse to compete with.

You say you would really rather a Falcon on field than a booster be used??? Really????
I somehow doubt that is true.
Other people would rather be able to fire/web/scram than just die with no ability to fight back. (Except you of course)

CCP might nerf boosts further but their bottom line will suffer considerably.
The people who use boosts are not against saving $15 a month.

It is people like yourself who are against others spending an extra $15 a month who have the issue.

What will you want removed if boosts go? You will need another excuse for your failure then. ECM? Damps? Combat Alts? Larger corps?


Expecting solo in an MMO is beyond silly? I think this video disagrees with you.

Yes I would much rather a Falcon on grid, because it's still very viable to split targets away from the Falcon where they have no impact on the fight. Very hard, yes... but it's achievable. No matter what you do, a T3 off-grid booster will always have an impact.





It is still silly no matter how many you tube links you post.

The dude in that video is not 'solo'.

He is using links.
Example:
Look at both the unheated and over heated point ranges from 21:21 on.

Seems the video you linked agrees with me.
Big smileBig smileBig smile
ALUCARD 1208
Naga's Be Trippin
#233 - 2014-04-01 05:57:10 UTC
complains about links and then posts a linked "solo" vid way to go there buddyLol
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#234 - 2014-04-01 05:57:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Taoist Dragon
Solo in an MMO is perfectly viable and all the go find friends arguments are silly. We all fly how we want and find fun.

I solo the majority of time however I'm social and like chatting to friends I know in game. Yes I fly with them from time to time and yes I can have extended period where I am pretty much a small gang pilot. Then I get the 'urge' and just have to go a wanderin'

As for Boosts I have no problem with them as a concept. My issue is the extent they boost is way out of balance with everything else in eve. I don't argue costs around having the alts etc as TBH alts is a way of life in eve and if they weren't boosters, they'd be cloaky scouts or ECM alts etc. But the actual cost of the ship + implants is what?! (2b ish?) dunno as I'm never space rich enough to buy those. But it scales very badly as the boosts are generally better than 2-3 full pirate implant sets & deadspace/faction modules.

They are a way of life in eve and I'll actively avoid known booster users while out solo'ing. As for the choice. Yes I'd rather face an ecm alt in a fight as there are ways to counter them much easier than scanning out a booster alt and killing it. Lets face it if it was that easy to scan them and kill them they wouldn't be used so much tbh. And having them show up on KM will stop a lot of the rage around them as people couldn't claim solo when they are using multiple toons.

Oooo and think of the rage when the Leet pvp'ers have all there BC dropped to next to nothing for killing that 10mil isk frig with a a bil+ worth of ships etc. It would be worth it just to see the rage on the forums Twisted

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.

Bloodmyst Ranwar
Menace of Morons
#235 - 2014-04-01 06:11:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloodmyst Ranwar
IbanezLaney wrote:
Bloodmyst Ranwar wrote:
IbanezLaney wrote:

Expecting solo in an MMO is beyond silly.
If you want a solo game try Tetris.

If concord are an issue for you -
Then you need to adapt and remove them from the equation by pvping in low or null sec and stop being risk averse by wanting NPC protection.

It is 100% your own doing if concord are available in the system you 'pvp' in. (Pretending high sec pvp is real pvp just for you cause I'm a nice guy)

You have the issue so you need to adapt - Not the people you refuse to compete with.

You say you would really rather a Falcon on field than a booster be used??? Really????
I somehow doubt that is true.
Other people would rather be able to fire/web/scram than just die with no ability to fight back. (Except you of course)

CCP might nerf boosts further but their bottom line will suffer considerably.
The people who use boosts are not against saving $15 a month.

It is people like yourself who are against others spending an extra $15 a month who have the issue.

What will you want removed if boosts go? You will need another excuse for your failure then. ECM? Damps? Combat Alts? Larger corps?


Expecting solo in an MMO is beyond silly? I think this video disagrees with you.

Yes I would much rather a Falcon on grid, because it's still very viable to split targets away from the Falcon where they have no impact on the fight. Very hard, yes... but it's achievable. No matter what you do, a T3 off-grid booster will always have an impact.





It is still silly no matter how many you tube links you post.

The dude in that video is not 'solo'.

He is using links.
Example:
Look at both the unheated and over heated point ranges from 21:21 on.

Seems the video you linked agrees with me.
Big smileBig smileBig smile


Isn't it convenient you ignored the first 20 minutes. LMAO! Just... gotta'... find... anything...to..rebut... with.

If you would like me to, I can post a list of solo PvP videos (full length videos without links) if you like. My apologies for posting a video where "some" fights were with links. Why does it feel like I'm talking to a group of teens right now...... I'm scared Cry

P.S - I guess the video not only demonstrates the viability of "Solo" play, but also demonstrates just how ******* strong links are. Blink
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#236 - 2014-04-01 07:29:17 UTC
I do not know why solo pilot should even be able to kill guy who has links boosting, at least it is 1 vs 2 anyway.

Only problem seems to be that people are mad because boosters are 'hidden' somewhere and they can not shoot those, even if those would be on grid they could not do anything to that ship with their tiny solo pwnage frigate.

Truth about link is that those makes small fleets able to engage bigger blobs easier so link actually support small gang pvp not prevent those.

Solo in MMO is bit tricky business but some people still do it and are pretty good on it no matter if they have links or not. Other just die even they have links.

EVE is about larger set of thing affecting single attribute and that is what makes EVE good, it can be always different if you want to test out different strategies and links only give more variety to game.
Bloodmyst Ranwar
Menace of Morons
#237 - 2014-04-01 07:54:58 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
I do not know why solo pilot should even be able to kill guy who has links boosting, at least it is 1 vs 2 anyway.

Only problem seems to be that people are mad because boosters are 'hidden' somewhere and they can not shoot those, even if those would be on grid they could not do anything to that ship with their tiny solo pwnage frigate.

Truth about link is that those makes small fleets able to engage bigger blobs easier so link actually support small gang pvp not prevent those.

Solo in MMO is bit tricky business but some people still do it and are pretty good on it no matter if they have links or not. Other just die even they have links.

EVE is about larger set of thing affecting single attribute and that is what makes EVE good, it can be always different if you want to test out different strategies and links only give more variety to game.


Do you think people would be less inclined to use their T3 booster alts so often when forced to utilise them on grid? I think they would be, especially in solo and small gang combat. Why? Because of the traffic that passes through. Whilst you might be all "hnnnng frigate can't hurt my T3!," the small gang (3rd party) about to jump in system will most likely turn your T3 into space junk.

Willing to risk your T3 to still do this, that is fine by me. At least there is some risk involved in utilising such a tool that provides a huge advantage.

As a matter of fact, if this is your way of thinking things out, wouldn't a frigate be great bait!
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#238 - 2014-04-01 08:23:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Bloodmyst Ranwar wrote:
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Isn't it convenient you ignored the first 20 minutes. LMAO! Just... gotta'... find... anything...to..rebut... with.

If you would like me to, I can post a list of solo PvP videos (full length videos without links) if you like. My apologies for posting a video where "some" fights were with links. Why does it feel like I'm talking to a group of teens right now...... I'm scared Cry

P.S - I guess the video not only demonstrates the viability of "Solo" play, but also demonstrates just how ******* strong links are. Blink


If there is an overwhelming abundance of tru solo videos out there, surely that demonstrates there isnt a massive problem with boosts?

Solo in a sandbox MMO is a valid form of PVP, no doubt. However, it is not a valid expectation.

Bloodmyst Ranwar wrote:

Do you think people would be less inclined to use their T3 booster alts so often when forced to utilise them on grid? I think they would be, especially in solo and small gang combat. Why? Because of the traffic that passes through. Whilst you might be all "hnnnng frigate can't hurt my T3!," the small gang (3rd party) about to jump in system will most likely turn your T3 into space junk.

Willing to risk your T3 to still do this, that is fine by me. At least there is some risk involved in utilising such a tool that provides a huge advantage.

As a matter of fact, if this is your way of thinking things out, wouldn't a frigate be great bait!


Wow, spoken like someone who has only ever PvPs on a gate. I barely ever PvP on gates lol. You are making wide sweeping conclusions from a place of little experience.

Get back to your gate camp fella.
Bloodmyst Ranwar
Menace of Morons
#239 - 2014-04-01 08:46:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloodmyst Ranwar
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Bloodmyst Ranwar wrote:
[
Isn't it convenient you ignored the first 20 minutes. LMAO! Just... gotta'... find... anything...to..rebut... with.

If you would like me to, I can post a list of solo PvP videos (full length videos without links) if you like. My apologies for posting a video where "some" fights were with links. Why does it feel like I'm talking to a group of teens right now...... I'm scared Cry

P.S - I guess the video not only demonstrates the viability of "Solo" play, but also demonstrates just how ******* strong links are. Blink


If there is an overwhelming abundance of tru solo videos out there, surely that demonstrates there isnt a massive problem with boosts?

Solo in a sandbox MMO is a valid form of PVP, no doubt. However, it is not a valid expectation.

Bloodmyst Ranwar wrote:

Do you think people would be less inclined to use their T3 booster alts so often when forced to utilise them on grid? I think they would be, especially in solo and small gang combat. Why? Because of the traffic that passes through. Whilst you might be all "hnnnng frigate can't hurt my T3!," the small gang (3rd party) about to jump in system will most likely turn your T3 into space junk.

Willing to risk your T3 to still do this, that is fine by me. At least there is some risk involved in utilising such a tool that provides a huge advantage.

As a matter of fact, if this is your way of thinking things out, wouldn't a frigate be great bait!


Wow, spoken like someone who has only ever PvPs on a gate. I barely ever PvP on gates lol. You are making wide sweeping conclusions from a place of little experience.

Get back to your gate camp fella.


For soloists, yes boosts aren't that much of a problem because we simply don't engage anything if a known a T3 booster is in system. Small gang is very much the same as well. You can be the judge is you think this is a good thing or not, it's not as if anyone will change you view on the argument anyway....

I guess this guy doesn't know what an Interceptor or Force Recon ship is...... Yeh, I also only ever like to PvP on a gate +1 intel for you! Lol
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#240 - 2014-04-01 09:02:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Bad Messenger
Bloodmyst Ranwar wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:
I do not know why solo pilot should even be able to kill guy who has links boosting, at least it is 1 vs 2 anyway.

Only problem seems to be that people are mad because boosters are 'hidden' somewhere and they can not shoot those, even if those would be on grid they could not do anything to that ship with their tiny solo pwnage frigate.

Truth about link is that those makes small fleets able to engage bigger blobs easier so link actually support small gang pvp not prevent those.

Solo in MMO is bit tricky business but some people still do it and are pretty good on it no matter if they have links or not. Other just die even they have links.

EVE is about larger set of thing affecting single attribute and that is what makes EVE good, it can be always different if you want to test out different strategies and links only give more variety to game.


Do you think people would be less inclined to use their T3 booster alts so often when forced to utilise them on grid? I think they would be, especially in solo and small gang combat. Why? Because of the traffic that passes through. Whilst you might be all "hnnnng frigate can't hurt my T3!," the small gang (3rd party) about to jump in system will most likely turn your T3 into space junk.

Willing to risk your T3 to still do this, that is fine by me. At least there is some risk involved in utilising such a tool that provides a huge advantage.

As a matter of fact, if this is your way of thinking things out, wouldn't a frigate be great bait!


i do not know what kind of eve you play but there is never risk to lose anything in eve. You may lose something only if you allow someone to kill it. Bringing link to grid does not make those any more vulnerable than those are now.

EDIT: and yes, frigate is good bait, put frigate to fight, probe links, kill them.