Warfare & Tactics

recons are the same, **** for solo, **** for lag fests (ithink, dont quote me on it), gods in small scale.

Ah ok. They are still up for a re-balance however long from now when CCP decides to get around to t2 hulls, right?

I didn't know Falcon, Azaru, Rapier and Pilgrim were considered bad ships for pvp?

there was time when rapier was most feared ship.

Vagabonds and rapiers everywhere.

Since the E-War frigs got buffed - i dont often fly my recons - just have a look at the Hyena for support fleets - its speedtank and web range is just awesome. I hope the Recons will get a boost.

I truly hate split weapon systems. Ccp needs to start giving ships the ability to field either one or the other. Or the ability to field a full rack of either.

They've been moving away from split weapon systems with most ships they've rebalanced. I suspect they will do so with Recons, too.

Still very viable in the right situations. Force recons for armor fleets, Combat recons for shield, mix and match as needed.

They still do the job slightly better than t3 at a lower price but with less tank and thus more risk/reward, but no skillpoint loss if you lose 'em.

Some fits can solo decently (pilgrim, blaster falcon, 'razu, some rapier fits, Rook (but who fights a rook voluntarily) and of course there's always blackops shenannagins.

What I'd loooove to see more of is actual black ops cynos used to augment existing fleets with "suddenly 3-4 falcons at optimals" i'm surprised more people don't do that with their roams in general, when they ask for ewar support.

What about stratios. He is practically recon ship (covops cloak) and have nice dps.

People seem to think that Recons are supposed to be a pwnmobile and then get upset when they're wrong.

Lets keep in mind that Recons come from the same philosophy that created the Cov Ops frigate and Bomber - Both exceptionally fragile, situational ships. Acknowledge Recons for what they are - Essentially Bombers with a slightly wider engagement profile, way more ehp and more GTFO ability, and you'll do just fine flying one because you'll understand that caution and piloting skills are your best assets while behind the wheel of one. Cov Ops and Bomber pilots are quite content with Recons, because they already have the skills and piloting experience necessary to survive in them.

Its the people that think that they're on par with HAC's or T3's that seem to think of them as ****, and these are not the kinds of people that should be flying Recons in the first place.

Not even Recon pilots want to fly Recons in all situations. They are not some uber-adaptable ship that can do anything you want them to. They are situational - Great in small fleets, not so great in large ones, workable as solo ships.