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How about having plex with various size limits which, when you enter them, make you suspect. Nothing else. I know I've seen complaints from people about the lack of the static DEDs in lowsec. They were broken in highsec due to farming, but farming them in low is fundementally more difficult.


If people want a lore reason: They're 'freespace' run by the pirate factions. Enter at your own risk.


(note, I'd like anyone who's not in FW who enters a FW plex to go suspect. That's mostly as I get annoyed at losing sec status, when someone turns up to blap me. I can shoot back first and lose status, or wait for them to shoot me. Both downsides. (No, I don't run. )

Yeah, that was brilliant move of CCP Bettik and mysterious metrics. That guy basically eradicated small gang pvp until rebalancing and meta changed enough to bring it back again.



I don't see why not. After all plex is a military operation area and if you are not military personnel your presence is most definitely suspicious.

Also timers should reset when you cloak inside or warp out of plex. Let's remind people that there is a WAR in word warfare and they are paid to fight.

This game (and even low sec) is too big for any single player to master everything. You want a candidate that is successful in what they actually do in low sec (shows competence) and is willing to build a network of players to get advice. Sugar appears to be competent and willing to get inputs from different player groups. Shadow Cartel is one of those groups.

Will you expand upon this a bit more for me or provide a reference link? Thank you.



The missions should be varied for all groups. It is either every group has their mix of normal/hard/blitzable missions or the blitzable missions themselves are looked at and restructured. It is a dead horse that hasn’t been beaten enough. Missions have not caught up to where the capabilities of players and ships are these days. Their neglect is showing.



No. Missions are one of the most basic methods for a player to directly make raw ISK. I do not think anyone should ever be denied access to some form of missions, even in Faction Warfare. Removing options is not a path through which we will find productive answers.




I think power projection needs to be looked at for what we really want it to be and how we really want it to be used. I don’t think that people should sprint from one end of the game to the other as quickly as they currently do. I think there are a lot of good ideas with good potential out there that are looking at multiple aspects of the game. I like the concepts in Marlona Sky’s projection pool idea.

And the last part of it is one I’ve been sourcing people about and have no answer yet but feel that it needs to be thought about. Where do we want force projection to be when it comes to its use in low sec? The topic is one that the low sec rep (for I feel with several people stepping forward we shall have at least one) needs a say about when force projection is brought to the table.

Thank you for your thoughtful replies.

"Thanatos Marathon wrote:
You may want to add Dual Timers (one for each faction) to your FW items list (as an alternative to Timer Rollbacks)


Will you expand upon this a bit more for me or provide a reference link? Thank you."

Dual Timers would mean that each faction had a timer in the plex. A novice plex takes 10 minutes to complete. As it currently stands a person from one side can grind it to 1 second left and then the other faction would have to run it for 19 minutes and 59 seconds. Dual timers would mean that if you got it to one second, and went back in and pushed the enemy out of contested range you would complete it. Also, the other faction wouldn't have to spend near 20 minutes on a 10 minute plex, and instead would only need to run "their" timer for 10 minutes to complete it.

Thank you. This is something I have noticed now as I go into complexes and see 24 minute timers on smalls. My Condor is mighty in these cases. :)

The fact that you've made an alt to try out Faction Warfare and test the mechanics first hand is a big compliment to you. Respect.

Even if you made the terrible mistake of choosing Caldari like everyone else.

My dream would be for PvE to be broken down and rebuilt from the ground up. There would be less static behavior and more interactive activities where min/maxing in a solitary environment was not a goal people were encouraged to follow. The group pay out for effort in Incursions is something that can be refined and spread out across a smaller scale. One thing that often confuses new players is that they cannot share missions with each other. That they cannot share the epic arc with each other. Instead, each is on their own path and while they can fleet together they are not sharing in that mission as a fleet.

In my dream world, missions would be a more dynamic system. The agents would offer greater rewards if they were never used and lesser if they were farmed. Agents might even move around going to different stations owned by their corporation. Low and null missions would pay significantly more than high sec. I’d like to steal the low level pirate missions into low sec and even the low level pirate arc. I don’t want to abandon NPC null but I’d like there to be more integration of the pirate missions into other areas of space.

My suggestion, would be for a look at the mission payouts across the game in general. It is an area that I personally believe should not be left for years without being reviewed and tweaked. I’d love for new missions to be added. I’d like broken missions to be fixed. I’d like agents to be shuffled around now and then.

I’d like there to be more NPC ships in space that a player can interact with. Convoys and escorts and haulers and miners and NPCs going about their life in space. NPC pirates should be attacking NPC miners in belts randomly.



I’d love to ask about some type of ore anomaly of high sec. I’d love the creation of a dynamic system with asteroids, where rocks grew and mineral densities increased and decreased. The static nature of resources could instead become more complex, with movement through clusters and regions.

In my dream world mining might involve more interaction. Maybe the ability to extract specific mineral sections of rock and nifty devices that let one search for particular high yield rocks to maximize time and profit.




Earlier in the thread I went over some of my industry thoughts. There are smaller concepts such as reduced rates or improved speed. There are larger, possible ideas such as specialty resources.. I’ve had an interesting talk with someone who suggested low sec restricted sales and building of faction module types.

I’ve been chatting with other current low sec industrialists as well as industrialists who do not think low sec is worth their time. Low Sec industry will never be able to offer the safety of high sec industry. However, with tools, improvements, imagination and creativity we should be able to create a more engaging atmosphere where small industrialists will thrive despite the violence of space. They would be people within social groups who improve upon their immediate area or those who thirst for adventure and building.

But there are other ideas for industry. The UI team for instance had a survey out asking industrialists about the UI. Changing and smoothing the click fest that is making an item would be wonderful and I am quite hopeful that they are looking at bringing us some refinements to the industry UI in this next year. Anything that makes POS a bit smoother, helps. I commented the other day how a small change such as allowing us to move items from one container to another inside of forcefield shields dramatically improved life. It is why I am a big advocate for UI changes.

My corporation lives in a L5 station with a L4 agent in the same system. It is a reason to live in the station. It gives something to do during slow PvP times. It is a steady source of income to support the PvP.

This is where the details come in. What is a large group? I would say a thousand man alliance all using the same level 4 agent would have a different effect than a hundred man alliance. Also, all of these people would not be using the agent all of the time. Outside of high sec agents are not used with quite the relentless dedication due to the dangers of the environment.



When I think of farming that would lower prices and cause agents to go roaming or decrease rewards I think of things like the Sisters of Eve missions where they added agents because the systems were so overcrowded. What and when a system would become ‘over farmed’ would, I hope, require more than the activities of one corporation. I could, however, see that a steady occupation would create a level system of rewards. It would also mean that the agent might tick back up when the corporation is focused on non PvE activities. Perhaps enough that others slip in and run said missions while people are not home. This is often seen with level 5 stations. People are willing to slip in around the primetime of whomever lives there to do those missions.

Low sec women into market whoring can count on my support!