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CCP Nerfed hisec RR aggression on the sly
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InVictus Kell
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2011-11-10 18:28:47 UTC
Hwong Jian wrote:
IBTL.

Also, congratulations on your astute observation and your speed in becoming the fourth person today to create a thread about this.

Allow me to respond. Please grab a d6 (one six-sided die) and roll for my response:

1: Gosh, this will certainly ruin EVE forever!
2: Every other instance in EVE that gives a player aggression will notify the player first. This is a long overdue implementation. (Notice 'implementation' and not 'nerf' or 'change'?)
3: Thinly veiled griefer tears are still satisfying.
4: If this bothers you, perhaps the reason is because you lack the requisite courage and skill to survive outside of high security space.
5: This is an abused mechanic by high sec griefers and is probably the precursor to logistics ships gaining aggression. Long overdue.
6: HTFU!

CCP Phantom locking in 3... 2... 1...



i keep rolling 9's, i think my die is broken.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#62 - 2011-11-10 18:36:36 UTC
Hwong Jian wrote:
OLD WAY:
Person flags (can flipping, shooting someone red, etc).
0 to 14 minutes later, Logi pilot in fleet activates their remote reps on person.
Logi pilot gains an aggression flag without receiving any kind of notice.
…and that part was supposed to have been fixed shortly after Incursion (don't remember the exact patch number), where gaining criminal flagging would trigger an immediate cut-off of any support modules and throw a warning popup, wasn't it?
Zircon Dasher
#63 - 2011-11-10 18:45:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Zircon Dasher
Tippia wrote:
Hwong Jian wrote:
OLD WAY:
Person flags (can flipping, shooting someone red, etc).
0 to 14 minutes later, Logi pilot in fleet activates their remote reps on person.
Logi pilot gains an aggression flag without receiving any kind of notice.
…and that part was supposed to have been fixed shortly after Incursion (don't remember the exact patch number), where gaining criminal flagging would trigger an immediate cut-off of any support modules and throw a warning popup, wasn't it?



The part that was fixed after Incursions was RR working on players with GCC (giving RR boat GCC-->concordokken)

I had the same confusion about CCP language as I always used criminal flags to mean GCC and aggro flags to mean....aggro.

Evidently CCP uses the opposite naming convention in the WIKI. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Criminal_Flagging_System

Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2011-11-10 18:56:15 UTC
So I have a big question for all the people complaining about hi-sec becoming friendlier to carebears - warmer and fuzzier, to coin a phrase. I don't really think it is, but my opinion doesn't speak for everyone, of course. So here's the question...

What's the problem with this, precisely?

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Zircon Dasher
#65 - 2011-11-10 19:15:41 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
So I have a big question for all the people complaining about hi-sec becoming friendlier to carebears - warmer and fuzzier, to coin a phrase. I don't really think it is, but my opinion doesn't speak for everyone, of course. So here's the question...

What's the problem with this, precisely?



The warmer and safer it is in hi-sec the harder it is to force your opponents to failcascade due to going bankrupt.



Lol

Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#66 - 2011-11-10 19:19:01 UTC
Zircon Dasher wrote:
The part that was fixed after Incursions was RR working on players with GCC (giving RR boat GCC-->concordokken)
Aaaahaaa. So it was only for global criminal flagging, not personal criminal flagging. Ok, now it makes sense (well… apart form the bit where you have to wonder whytf they didn't include all criminal flagging in the first round Ugh).
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#67 - 2011-11-10 19:22:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Khanh'rhh
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
So I have a big question for all the people complaining about hi-sec becoming friendlier to carebears - warmer and fuzzier, to coin a phrase. I don't really think it is, but my opinion doesn't speak for everyone, of course. So here's the question...

What's the problem with this, precisely?


Because the game is built on the basis of "Risk vs reward" and making safe space safer, without removing any of the reward, fundamentally changes that dynamic.

This is why a lot of the characters running highsec incursions are WH or nullsec residents who can make more money in highsec PVE with no risk, than they can in nullsec.

This "fix" basically enables complete idiots, with no ability to work out if that guy SHOULD be their logi pilot based on all the tools available to them (half the time the toons are on the ******* blacklists anyway), to be shielded by game mechanics.

It's a poor change, as it only makes it safer for idiots.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2011-11-10 19:23:17 UTC
Skippermonkey wrote:
if they are all about 'closing & fixing loopholes', explain why they recently repealled their previous stance on war dec shields.

hisec is becoming increasingly more fuzzy and warm at the edges


their explanation was obvious when they laid off 120 staff

subs b4 bugs

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Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#69 - 2011-11-11 05:49:58 UTC
Hwong Jian wrote:
IBTL.

Also, congratulations on your astute observation and your speed in becoming the fourth person today to create a thread about this.

Allow me to respond. Please grab a d6 (one six-sided die) and roll for my response:

1: Gosh, this will certainly ruin EVE forever!
2: Every other instance in EVE that gives a player aggression will notify the player first. This is a long overdue implementation. (Notice 'implementation' and not 'nerf' or 'change'?)
3: Thinly veiled griefer tears are still satisfying.
4: If this bothers you, perhaps the reason is because you lack the requisite courage and skill to survive outside of high security space.
5: This is an abused mechanic by high sec griefers and is probably the precursor to logistics ships gaining aggression. Long overdue.
6: HTFU!

CCP Phantom locking in 3... 2... 1...


I still have one of those there-and-gone-again d30's somewhere. Can I roll that instead, and divide the result by 5 (rounding down, of course) Blink?

Ni.