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The "GF" comment after fights
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Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2014-02-13 19:31:11 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
I never do a GF in local. Unless they do so first.

Reason being is that the fight is always skewed in my favor because that is how I planned it.


To me that preparation is part of the fight. The fight didn't start when F1 was pressed. The fight started back in the station when we all fit our ships and then undocked.

I always 'gf' in local with two exceptions. I don't typically do it on my suicide gank alt. We have New Order speak for that. And I don't usually gf in wormholes because that means talking in local eewww.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#42 - 2014-02-13 20:00:22 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

If you feel the fight was in good sportsmanship (win or lose), saying GF is appropriate.


OK, let's say we have a 1v1 frig fight and you blow me up. I say nothing. Why is that inappropriate? Honest question.


If you feel the fight was in good sportsmanship (win or lose), saying GF is appropriate.

If I feel the fight was in goods sportsmanship, I'll say gf.

If I feel the fight wasn't in good sportsmanship, I'll keep quite: Example, blowing up a rookie ship that landed in my bubble.

Realize different people have their own opinion on what constitutes good sportsmanship. Is hunting buffalo with rifles good sportmanship? Is clubbing baby seals? Is it about the hunt, or about the chase, or about the fight? Is it about the risks to yourself?

I tend to believe GF's are fights where you and yours risk loss, or where there is a valiant chase / fight for survival.


Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#43 - 2014-02-13 22:03:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Sabriz Adoudel
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:

To me that preparation is part of the fight. The fight didn't start when F1 was pressed. The fight started back in the station when we all fit our ships and then undocked.


Exactly.

Or in the case of shooting a miner, the PVP started when the asteroid was first touched by the miner, both denying access to that resource to other miners and leading to increased market supply - hence decreased prices - for that ore.

Mining barges are very good at that sort of PVP, and Catalysts are a good counter to them. Just as the Arazu and Lachesis are very good at 1v1 spaceship combat PVP but are countered hard by drone boats.

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Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2014-02-14 12:04:46 UTC
If people think it's mandatory to say it, then one shouldn't say it.

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
Brink Albosa
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2014-02-14 15:05:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Brink Albosa
I've always considered "gf" a courtesy in lowsec. Some guys go 20+ jumps and see nothing so it's like a salute to the hunt, an appreciation for letting me shoot you/ each other. Win or lose I'll drop gf in local. I've used in jest as well when something like an E Uni blob is able to grab me and there's like 25+ pilots on my Rifter lossmail.

I always gf unless:

Links were used

ECM

Your combat or attack frig has a cloak/stabs on it and you're there for the LP (Unless they whine, then I gf)
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#46 - 2014-02-14 15:08:36 UTC
Brink Albosa wrote:
I always gf unless:

Links were used

ECM



Why? There are ways to beat both, although ill agree trying to kill someone with boosts/drugs can be hellahard.

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Brink Albosa
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2014-02-14 15:12:10 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
Brink Albosa wrote:
I always gf unless:

Links were used

ECM



Why? There are ways to beat both, although ill agree trying to kill someone with boosts/drugs can be hellahard.


True, but I forgot to mention I usually fly solo. Ladar Sensor Compensation V was probably a waste. Big smile
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#48 - 2014-02-14 15:17:34 UTC
Brink Albosa wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:
Brink Albosa wrote:
I always gf unless:

Links were used

ECM



Why? There are ways to beat both, although ill agree trying to kill someone with boosts/drugs can be hellahard.


True, but I forgot to mention I usually fly solo. Ladar Sensor Compensation V was probably a waste. Big smile


Ah. Touche`.

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Kyrik Vaster
Professional Interstellar Support Initiative
#49 - 2014-02-14 18:14:56 UTC
I always post it in local after they failed in their gank attempt.
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#50 - 2014-02-14 20:38:42 UTC
Kyrik Vaster wrote:
I always post it in local after they failed in their gank attempt.


Well, since you just painted a target on yourself, will you still GF after a successful gank too?

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Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#51 - 2014-02-14 21:50:16 UTC
I'll only say "gf" if it's an actually good fight.

If it's just a stomp, one way or the other, I say "good show".
Trevor Dalech
Nobody in Local
Of Sound Mind
#52 - 2014-02-15 07:11:56 UTC
Sylphy wrote:
Let's imagine 11 bruisers, with baseball bats, axes, knives and all kinds of other blunt/edged weapons descend upon a minor, - toothless, without arms and a lame leg. He can't run, he can't fight back, all he can do is scream incoherently hoping someone in the local community will hear .


You are equating in game violence with real life violence, this is wrong. It's a game...

I once played chess against a grand master, predictably I got out maneuvered at every turn, my pieces got slaughtered, and after 15 moves I resigned. We shook hands and told each other "good game".

You're playing a game and someone beat you at it, not only would it be good sportsmanship to say "good fight" afterwards, its rather rude if you completely ignore your opponent and stay silent.
VegasMirage
Blank-Space
Northern Coalition.
#53 - 2014-02-15 11:45:27 UTC
I use:

gf - means anti-climatic expected ending

gf o/ - means was nice 1v1 or 2v1 that ended unexpectedly, would do it again see you shortly

o ..i.. - means exactly that, your bad tarp didn't work out for you

lolz - means you're bad, but funny bad

ur bad - means you should biomass the character and start again, you have no way to improve from your game style

In solo or small gang, anybody using a cloaked falcon, stabbed remote repper, cloaked "suddenly atron" fleet is "bad"

gf is reserved for people deserving of another chance to fight, once you decloak your links, falcons, RR and your backup gang arrives late... you get the "ur bad"

and you should really feel really really bad. The kind of bad that makes your mom hate you.

no more games... it's real this time!!!
Eranicus II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2014-02-16 16:42:02 UTC
For me it depends on the situation, ill GF only if fights involved those who shoot back whether we win or not.

I wont generally GF when i gank miners or haulers since I have chosen the vulnerable ship to destroy and I am basing my actions on other factors like bling on their ships or the age of the character for implants dmg.

I will congratulate those who survived my attack based on their defensive capabilities though, but I wont GF if it was a mining ship or hauler.

Also I am not a follower of james 315 RP, so paying them will not stop me from ganking them, not my play style.
Jasmine Panzer
Ciaba Ventures
#55 - 2014-02-17 18:41:30 UTC
I'm in the 'always put a gf in local' group.

I guess to me, what it really means is 'whatever just happened, I'm grateful that you, my opponent(s) are human'. Because shooting rocks or red crosses is certain death by boredom!

Depending on the situation, I may then add further comments like 'awesome fight!' or 'what were you thinking, bringing just TWO griffins to assist against a scary lone destroyer?!'. :)
Kenrailae
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2014-02-18 05:17:11 UTC
'GF' in local after a fight is a requirement in my book. Even if it was a gank, it's similar to the whole 'We who are about to die salute you' thing from the Roman Colosseum.


Sometimes it's sincere, sometimes it's an acknowledgement to who you just killed for providing the kill for you, and sometimes it's a 'Get ****ed' to the D in local who just Dishonour bird you.

Yeah, that's right, 'Dishonour' for maximum Space Honor's.



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The NPE IS a big deal
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2014-02-18 09:50:59 UTC
Sylphy wrote:
Let's imagine 11 bruisers, with baseball bats, axes, knives and all kinds of other blunt/edged weapons descend upon a minor, - toothless, without arms and a lame leg. He can't run, he can't fight back, all he can do is scream incoherently hoping someone in the local community will hear and help.

The outcome is, predictable. The minor is beaten/hacked/smashed into a bloody pulp. Visual image of biomass or pod goo.

Why would anyone participating in that fight (in this case, two of the agressors), comment with "GF".

What about that single fight deserved merit of being a "good fight" ? Can someone explain me this. It wouldn't be bad if he said "good slaugher" or "good gank" or "good wtfpwn", those would seem fitting, but.. "good fight", really?

This isn't a whine, or so-called tears. It's a question of what deserves the merit of a good fight, asking the community.
I put it in this section because I can't seem to find a good fit for it anyplace else.



GF you dispose for people that are not childish whining that you ganked them. It means.. we won, but we respect you because you are taking it as a man not as a child.

We will post GF for anyone that TRIED to fight back and did not just cried like a baby, in effect to any REAL eve player.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Electrique Wizard
Mutually Lucrative Business Proposals
#58 - 2014-02-18 09:54:54 UTC
Aggressor GF = Good Fight
Losing party GF = Get ******

2 different things, learn the difference.

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Valleria Darkmoon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#59 - 2014-02-19 11:59:11 UTC
The GF after most fights reminds me of the description of a Chaos Lord from the most recent Warriors of Chaos book for Warhammer. Paraphrased it says the Lord is an unfeeling killing machine who will fight anything he can get a hold of to prove himself, those that flee are run down, those that stand are briefly saluted before being hacked down where they stand.

For me the "GF" is a lot like the brief salute, I don't give it after running down someone who wants nothing more than to run but I will GF anyone who fights back.

Reality has an almost infinite capacity to resist oversimplification.
Ristlin Wakefield
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#60 - 2014-02-19 15:31:29 UTC
As an FC I call for my fleet to give the opponent "gf" in local if they fought us, regardless of the outcome.

With fleet fights, its often very easy to simply run and leave a few behind to get picked off. While most people will be happy to score a few easy kills, I get most fun out of actual large-scale combat. Raw, 40+ minute fights. When an opponent is willing to do that, I am beyond elated. It's the reason why I log into EVE.

I have a lover, her name is EVE. I see her every night and all she asks in return is that I have a pilot's license.