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Eve University Offensive Combat Operations in Placid Region

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Bairfhionn Isu
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
#41 - 2014-02-12 22:01:28 UTC
Here is it how the incident went down:

We have a Campus situated in Uphallant in the Fislipesnes Constellation in the Placid Region. This is no secret. We have several campuses that are located in Low-, Null-, High-Sec and Wormhole Space. All in all it are 8 campuses.
We provide logistics and teaching to those campuses so our students have the chance to experience every aspect of this Universe. Let them be fighters, explorers, miners or traders. We try to provide a place for everyone.

The whole incident began in Oicx. A small group of students was hunting for valid targets according to our current RoE. They found some in a complex.
Some of our students were not inside the University. So University standings don't rally apply.

When the student fleet arrived, people were tackled. Between them was Desra Mascani of the Eleutherian Guard (Villore Accords) which at the time was +5 to the University.
His friends on grid were criminals with which we didn't have any standing. The student fleet destroyed borh. After it was realized that a member of Villore Accords was there as well, helping the criminals, the student fleet disengaged to assess the situation.

After the students disengaged to discuss the situation, Desra Mascani attacked and destroyed a student ship. This happened AFTER the deaggression and ordered retreat.

The University did its best to avoid breaking our NOP. In fact, it was no real damage done to the member of the Villore Accords.

This led our diplomats to reset the standing. Because some individuals cannot behave.


This incident has by the way nothing to do with our plans of NBSI in lowsec.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#42 - 2014-02-12 22:31:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Katran Luftschreck
Bairfhionn Isu wrote:
If the Empires or their Militias had taken care of Low Security Space and retaliated against the pirates and provide safe passage for everyone venturing through, it would not have come to this.


Well then if you've got that kind of firepower, you could certainly take it upon yourself to do something about it...


Bairfhionn Isu wrote:
We do not differenciate between Gallente, Caldari, Amarr, Minmatar or Pirate. Everyone neutral or below is considered a threat to our students from March 15th on for the duration of a month.


... or you could just sink to their level. Yep, that'll will show 'em.

Roll

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Sofia Roseburn
Verdant Inquiries
#43 - 2014-02-12 22:33:56 UTC
Bairfhionn Isu wrote:
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There we go.

Not sure why you didn't post that originally considering your version of events differs rather significantly on a couple of key points, and clarifies the situation quite nicely.
Bairfhionn Isu
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
#44 - 2014-02-12 22:57:29 UTC
Sofia Roseburn wrote:
Bairfhionn Isu wrote:
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There we go.

Not sure why you didn't post that originally considering your version of events differs rather significantly on a couple of key points, and clarifies the situation quite nicely.


The evidence of the kills follows "our" version.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#45 - 2014-02-13 00:36:47 UTC
Bairfhionn Isu wrote:
Sofia Roseburn wrote:
Bairfhionn Isu wrote:
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There we go.

Not sure why you didn't post that originally considering your version of events differs rather significantly on a couple of key points, and clarifies the situation quite nicely.


The evidence of the kills follows "our" version.

My version:
People were shot at, ships were destroyed
Much tears, we carry on
Events fade like furriers in the night.
-Claudia Osyn

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Apothne
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2014-02-13 01:56:24 UTC
People shooting at each other and creating content! Yay!

Is the goal of the Gallente Federation to conquer the FW zone and have it ruled under the same laws and terms of engagement as their HS space?
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#47 - 2014-02-13 02:53:54 UTC
Apothne wrote:
People shooting at each other and creating content! Yay!

Is the goal of the Gallente Federation to conquer the FW zone and have it ruled under the same laws and terms of engagement as their HS space?

I won't speak for the federation, but I'm toying with the idea of conquering the cluster eventually. Or ending it in a firey ball of death.... Or I may just continue to do random things as my whims dictate. I have the attention span of a sq-.... hey I found an isk!

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Noden Vorpalstar
The Knights of Polaris
#48 - 2014-02-13 03:11:33 UTC
Having reviewed the statements and evidence of both parties, Villore Accords and Eve University, in addition to E-UNI's news release regarding their upcoming NBSI policy in lowsec, I retract my previous statement.

It is clear that E-UNI students acted in accordance with their rules of engagement.

Additionally E-UNI's planned NBSI policy in low sec and the actions of their students does not lead me to believe there is any threat of piracy from this institution in Federation Space.

I have taken the necessary steps to request postive standings between E-UNI and TKOP in a first effort to avoid any unnecessary hostilities.

Noden Vorpalstar
The Knights of Polaris

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Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#49 - 2014-02-13 04:03:14 UTC
Ah. Much clearer.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117

Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#50 - 2014-02-13 04:50:08 UTC
An example of how there can be peace in the galaxy.

You just have to put in the effort.

-Eran
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#51 - 2014-02-13 06:14:30 UTC
Eran Mintor wrote:
Yes I am opinionated, most people without TCMC's are.

TCMCs are palliative devices, sir. They only hinder people when used as tools of oppression, and there are people throughout the Cluster that rely on them to walk, to move, or to think. Please, sir, don't slander a rare tool for good because of its abusers.
Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#52 - 2014-02-13 06:23:52 UTC
Let's not get off topic again. Don't worry, I'm sure your sales won't plummet because of anything I say.

I should note though that I'm not the one giving the technology a bad name.

-Eran
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#53 - 2014-02-13 07:15:40 UTC
Eran Mintor wrote:
Let's not get off topic again. Don't worry, I'm sure your sales won't plummet because of anything I say.

I should note though that I'm not the one giving the technology a bad name.

-Eran

It's less because I sell them, sir, and more because I require one to stay conscious. You needn't stigmatize those who rely on them.
Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#54 - 2014-02-13 07:38:00 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
Eran Mintor wrote:
Let's not get off topic again. Don't worry, I'm sure your sales won't plummet because of anything I say.

I should note though that I'm not the one giving the technology a bad name.

-Eran

It's less because I sell them, sir, and more because I require one to stay conscious. You needn't stigmatize those who rely on them.

I feel your pain. We should talk again soon, I think.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117

Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#55 - 2014-02-13 12:38:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Leopold Caine
Diana Kim wrote:

People of Placid deserve to live as humans, in properly organized societies, and to live in prosperity according to their merits, and not being exploited by gallenteans bureaucracy and propaganda.


Nor by the Caldari bureaucracy and propaganda - same fedo fecal matter, different package.

Placid rightfully belongs to the Intaki Syndicate, but I suppose you both State and Federal sycophants can underline them as constellations of interest all you want - just don't forget neither of your navies in that pointless little proxy war control the gates of the area - the Guardian Angels do.

Bairfhionn Isu wrote:
Here is it how the incident went down:...


Thank you, ms. Isu. It's always good to hear the other side of the story, especially when it makes more sense than Soter's incoherent rambling.

I hope to see Villore Accords apologize to you for their transgression soon so that your beneficial service to the new capsuleer community may continue unhindered.
  • Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim

Angels are never far...

Stillwater Corporation Recruitment Open - Angel Cartel Bloc

Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#56 - 2014-02-13 17:17:14 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
Eran Mintor wrote:
Let's not get off topic again. Don't worry, I'm sure your sales won't plummet because of anything I say.

I should note though that I'm not the one giving the technology a bad name.

-Eran

It's less because I sell them, sir, and more because I require one to stay conscious. You needn't stigmatize those who rely on them.


I've removed the offending remark from my original post and apologize for being ignorant.

I hope that is to your satisfaction.

-Eran
Desra Mascani
Eleutherian Guard
#57 - 2014-02-13 17:32:13 UTC
A lot of individuals here assume that Gallente militia cruiser fleet consisting of GMVA and other affiliated pilots was thoroughly wrecked by E-UNI mob of frigates. In fact, only several cruisers were destroyed on the GM side (Exequror, Vexor and maybe one smaller ship - the public record is somewhat chaotic), while one Slicer was lost by E-UNI.

The message here was not that somebody bloodied someone else... The message was that E-UNI cannot be trusted with their so-called "open Non-Aggression-Pact-Policy" because they can barely contain their students. They might follow their RoE to the letter (apart from that Slicer pilot who aggressed a blue pilot first and continued to do so until his destruction). The "to the letter" part is the main reason for the trouble here. If somebody attacks members of a fleet, you attack that fleet as a whole no matter how you vindicate your right for the individual targets. And to be clear here, E-UNI opened fire first in all the cases here, startig with tackling our cruiser on the acceleration gate of a complex.

Ms. Ise, your eager students continued to attack the elements of our fleet even when they were told in local to stop because they are attacking a blue fleet. The only wonder is that they stopped shooting (with the exception of the Slicer idiot) after the destruction of the mentioned cruisers. That may be the deciding factor why a big part of that frigate blob was not annihilated by the rest of the cruiser fleet arriving back to the acceleration gate. E-UNI folows a blind RoE doctrine no matter the circumstances and that may well be one of the reasons for the large number of wars going on between you and many other capsuleer organizations throughout the EVE Universe.

So to the rest of you... Beware and don't trust these people. They may put a dagger into your back, claim it was all OK according to their RoE and support the nonsense by untruthful statements of their pilots who made a mistake and want to keep their face (yes, I'm talking to you mr. "should not be given a Slicer" Cela Kashuken).
Desra Mascani
Eleutherian Guard
#58 - 2014-02-13 17:36:26 UTC
Noden Vorpalstar wrote:
.......

I have taken the necessary steps to request postive standings between E-UNI and TKOP in a first effort to avoid any unnecessary hostilities.

Noden Vorpalstar
The Knights of Polaris


As I said above. That might not help you at all.
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#59 - 2014-02-13 18:26:33 UTC
Eran Mintor wrote:
Scherezad wrote:
Eran Mintor wrote:
Let's not get off topic again. Don't worry, I'm sure your sales won't plummet because of anything I say.

I should note though that I'm not the one giving the technology a bad name.

-Eran

It's less because I sell them, sir, and more because I require one to stay conscious. You needn't stigmatize those who rely on them.


I've removed the offending remark from my original post and apologize for being ignorant.

I hope that is to your satisfaction.

-Eran

You are an exemplar of decency, sir. Thank you, and I apologize for the interjection.
Iwan Terpalen
Doomheim
#60 - 2014-02-13 19:19:11 UTC
So, the take-away messages: E-UNI pilots are eager beavers, mixed fleets are a pain in the backside, diplomacy is best conducted in private, and friendship isn't a transitive relation.

That about right?