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Missing BPOs [Solved]
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Alexi Blue
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2014-02-11 09:39:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Alexi Blue
Hello!

After a period of inactivity I am having trouble locating my BPOs.

The situation is as follows: I stopped playing around January 2013. I had a corporate office in a 0,5 system with a bunch of BPOs in corporate hangar. Furthermore I had a POS tower in the same system with multiple jobs running (basically my BPOs were being researched and copied). What was intended to be a short pause from EVE ended up being pretty much a whole year break.

During this time my corporation office was disabled (since I didn't pay bills). My corporation was kicked out of an alliance and wardeced during summer. My POS tower with labs was destroyed and my former moon has a new owner.

Now I don't really care about the POS tower and the labs. I was expecting them to be gone during the past year. However I am a bit worried what happened to my BPO collection since I can't find them. I rented the corporate office again and I am able to access my corporate hangar and my items. However my BPOs are not there. I had a corporate tab labeled "BPOs" where I stored my blueprints for years. And now they are gone.

I'm assuming there is some problem with jobs not being delivered? When I stopped playing my BPOs were being researched / copied at the POS tower.

Anyway, I don't see any jobs in the science tab so I really don't know what to do. Does anyone have any idea what I could do or should I write to support?

PS: My BPOs were never physically at my POS tower. They were always in my corporate hangar on the station. Also I am the only person in my corporation (beside my own alts) so BPOs could not have been stolen.

EDIT: All solved now. GM was able to retrieve my BPOs.
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#2 - 2014-02-11 10:42:48 UTC
Someone paid to take them out of impound. They are no longer your property.




I have always wanted to do that.
Alexi Blue
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2014-02-11 10:53:37 UTC
Loraine Gess wrote:
Someone paid to take them out of impound. They are no longer your property.




I have always wanted to do that.


Wait, what?

As I said I am the only person in the corporation (beside my alts) so it's not possible that someone from my corporation could have taken them out of impound.
PyroxQ
Pinpoint Pierce
#4 - 2014-02-11 12:10:08 UTC
Somewhere among the corp tabs under assets I think there is a tab called 'impounded' or somesuch. Checked there?
Oxide Ammar
#5 - 2014-02-11 12:13:04 UTC
Your first paragraph is contradicting with the note at bottom of your post, As far as I know (someone correct me if I'm wrong) researching or copying a BPO is physically putting your BPO in the lab, so if someone destroyed and looted the lab wrecks (or scooped the labs after destroying the POS) he got your BPOs.

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Alexi Blue
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2014-02-11 12:29:47 UTC
PyroxQ wrote:
Somewhere among the corp tabs under assets I think there is a tab called 'impounded' or somesuch. Checked there?


Yea I checked there. Since I re-rented my office there are no more impounded items. Basically I was able to get corporate assets back with the exception of the missing BPOs that were being researched / copied. That's why I am assuming the problem is with research / copy jobs. After each job is finished you have to click 'deliver' to get your BPOs back - and since I no longer have the POS I can't deliver (or see) the jobs.

Oxide Ammar wrote:
Your first paragraph is contradicting with the note at bottom of your post, As far as I know (someone correct me if I'm wrong) researching or copying a BPO is physically putting your BPO in the lab, so if someone destroyed and looted the lab wrecks (or scooped the labs after destroying the POS) he got your BPOs.


When I said they were being researched I meant remotely from my station office. I never had BPOs at my POS (and yes you can research and copy without having BPOs at the labs).
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#7 - 2014-02-11 14:30:24 UTC
I don't know what part of this you don't get. Someone took them out of impound. They are gone. When your office is impounded, anyone can pay the fee to retrieve the items.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#8 - 2014-02-11 15:04:13 UTC
Loraine Gess wrote:
anyone can pay the fee to retrieve the items.


whaaaaat ?

Impounded assets are publicly available?
How can I check if a station has impounded assets?
Also, if this was the case, why didn't they take everything?

OP, baring this stuff with impound, its possible they're inside a container/ship somewhere. They won't show up in any search, but you can view contents remotely to see if they're there.

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Alexi Blue
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2014-02-11 15:14:30 UTC
Loraine Gess wrote:
I don't know what part of this you don't get. Someone took them out of impound. They are gone. When your office is impounded, anyone can pay the fee to retrieve the items.


So you are saying that any player can 'steal' impounded items from any station and any corporation they are not even a part of?

Somehow I have hard time believing this. Do tell us the source of this in-game mechanic because it would be ridiculous it this was true.

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If you lose an office where your corporation has items, such as by forgetting to pay the bill or by unrenting the office, the items will be impounded. The CEO or directors of your corporation will have to go to that station and press the Corp Hangar button in the bottom right corner to get the items back. This costs 50% of the rental amount and drops the impounded items into their personal hangar. You must have office rental rights in the station in order to be allowed to use this feature, if the station is owned by a hostile entity you may be unable to release impounded items.


Why do they even bother mentioning that CEO or director needs to release items if any person could just take what they want? Even if they are not in the corporation?

Batelle wrote:
OP, baring this stuff with impound, its possible they're inside a container/ship somewhere. They won't show up in any search, but you can view contents remotely to see if they're there.


I had some containers in corporate hangars but they were empty and packed. And they still are.
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#10 - 2014-02-11 15:20:38 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Loraine Gess wrote:
anyone can pay the fee to retrieve the items.


whaaaaat ?

Impounded assets are publicly available?
How can I check if a station has impounded assets?
Also, if this was the case, why didn't they take everything?

OP, baring this stuff with impound, its possible they're inside a container/ship somewhere. They won't show up in any search, but you can view contents remotely to see if they're there.




Ah my phone cut off the part about him still having some. No, then they were destroyed along with the line. It is, however, entirely possible to take other people's items out of impound. My corporation has an option to pay a 1.2b fee for the jita 4-4 station to retrieve items. We have never rented an office there. Additionally the items involved, listed in corp assets > impounded consist of two ibis with names of characters never involved in my corporation, and I have mails concerning every member ever joining and strict control over the process.


We also have some similar worthless impounded assets in 4 other random stations. We have never rented offices at any of these locations.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#11 - 2014-02-11 15:34:22 UTC
Loraine Gess wrote:

Ah my phone cut off the part about him still having some. No, then they were destroyed along with the line.


So if a lab gets destroyed without its job being delivered, the BPO, even if its in station, will be destroyed? Interesting.

However, that wouldn't explain his whole BPO collection being missing, as there's no way they were all in research.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#12 - 2014-02-11 15:53:13 UTC
So the rest of his assets are there. That is odd if it was a single office. If unlock/lock votes have no valid targets then he truly is SOL and something that would need to be petitioned to find out where they went, otherwise my money is definitely on impounding and followed secondly by the lines being destroyed. Specific sections of assets being missing imply either theft, misplacement, or a very peculiar bug. From what I can read the first two are unlikely.
Kirkwood Ross
Golden Profession
#13 - 2014-02-11 15:58:17 UTC
Petition a GM. BPOs in a corp hangar being used in a pos don't disappear even if the pos and labs get blown up.
Alexi Blue
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2014-02-11 16:00:13 UTC
Batelle wrote:
However, that wouldn't explain his whole BPO collection being missing, as there's no way they were all in research.


Just to be clear all the BPOs missing were in fact being researched / copied. Well technically part of the jobs were already finished and some jobs probably went on pause when the fuel ran out (POS was destroyed months later). However that being said none of the jobs were delivered.

BTW I'm talking around ~15-20 BPOs being researched / copied with three characters.


Batelle wrote:
So if a lab gets destroyed without its job being delivered, the BPO, even if its in station, will be destroyed? Interesting.


A few years back I went on a lengthy holiday and my fuel ran out. Someone wardeced me and stole all the labs. However my tower survived. When I got back I was able to recover all my BPOs (obviously BPC copies were gone with the labs, but BPOs survived in the station).

The only difference in this situation is that my tower is gone. But still it doesn't make sense that you could lose billions worth of BPOs that are safely stored in a station just because the labs or POS tower is destroyed. From a logical point of view it doesn't make sense.

Anyways, I've wrote a petition. Will see what happens.
Elisa Coreli
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#15 - 2014-02-11 19:49:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Elisa Coreli
Loraine Gess wrote:
Ah my phone cut off the part about him still having some. No, then they were destroyed along with the line. It is, however, entirely possible to take other people's items out of impound. My corporation has an option to pay a 1.2b fee for the jita 4-4 station to retrieve items. We have never rented an office there. Additionally the items involved, listed in corp assets > impounded consist of two ibis with names of characters never involved in my corporation, and I have mails concerning every member ever joining and strict control over the process.


We also have some similar worthless impounded assets in 4 other random stations. We have never rented offices at any of these locations.

Just to correct you; Its not possible to pull items out of impound that do not belong to your corp.

When a corp member deletes his character all his assets are put in the corp impound in that office so its possible someone owned ibises with a different chars name on it.

And yes, ill be more then happy to bet money on that ;)

Words
Oxide Ammar
#16 - 2014-02-12 06:33:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Oxide Ammar
To understand this correctly, the core problem you are suffering from is that these BPOs were being researched but since the tower ran out of fuel ( got destroyed) before you actually retrieve the jobs back to your rented office and since your BPOs can't be automatically return to your office because you didn't pay rental fees now the BPOs went poof ..am I correct ?

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Alexi Blue
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2014-02-12 09:31:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Alexi Blue
Oxide Ammar wrote:
To understand this correctly, the core problem you are suffering from is that these BPOs were being researched but since the tower ran out of fuel ( got destroyed) before you actually retrieve the jobs back to your rented office and since your BPOs can't be automatically return to your office because you didn't pay rental fees now the BPOs went poof ..am I correct ?


Yes.

Edit: I'm not sure how the state of the office (rented or not) affects automatic return of BPOs upon POS destruction. But yea, that's pretty much it.
Ginger Barbarella
#18 - 2014-02-12 21:34:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Ginger Barbarella
As long as the BPOs weren't physically in the Lab, they will be returned to your corp hangar. Now, if your bill hadn't been paid, they will be impounded, but they should show up under the Impounded tab. Try renting an office at the location; it should be returned to you (if you're the CEO). Nothing magical happened in POS World since Jan 2013, so none of the existing mechanics would have changed what happened to your BPOs.

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As far as I know (someone correct me if I'm wrong) researching or copying a BPO is physically putting your BPO in the lab


You're wrong.

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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#19 - 2014-02-12 22:14:48 UTC

As stated before...your BPO's should have returned to the office they were run from. If they aren't there, then you should file a petition and hopefully CCP's records can verify your situation.

Jake Salvator
Doomheim
#20 - 2014-03-08 10:36:20 UTC
This isn't an answer to your question per se, but I was in the exact same position when I started playing. Started shitting myself, rereading all that I (thought I knew) about POSes.

Turns out what most people have been saying is correct, however the BPOs weren't were I thought they were.

I found that my BPOs weren't were I thought they were!
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