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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#161 - 2014-02-13 04:44:02 UTC
Style Cool wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
Style Cool wrote:
DaReaper wrote:


It might be that the people in SC are in for a rude awakening. I read that while frowned on you can easily murder pods. and so what if the UEE or whatever comes to there aid, we eve players have experience with concord, so seriously once the mechanics are figured out you will see suicide ganking, jump camping, and random theft. Unless this is a 100% theme park rail type game, if there is any leeway towards real pvp and piracy you can bet eve players who have experience will utilize it to the full potential. And i can;t believe i am going to say this cause i think the code is stupid... but Citizens will eventually bend to the code. And even if the ships don;t drop anything, which would defeat the whole point of piracy... it will still be fun to make people cry. And i plan on saying 'EvE sends it regards" to every SC i kill.


ROFL.. the code is meaningless. We will simply say no to any ransom demand. This has already been discusses ad nauseum in the community. At that point you will have two choices...leave... or try to shoot us. And since no loot drops from SC ships yuou will go away empty handed.

It will cost you in repairs and reputation. A precious commodity in SC.

So, come on over big guy. With our PVE sliders, the only thing you will ever see is NPC's and they dont give a damn about your code.


actually the slider only reduces your chances of pvp, not eliminates it. It takes your slider, and mine, and then does a dice roll. so for example if i am 10 full on pvp and you are 0 no pvp the pc will rolly a dice, if it lands on 20 i see you, if not i see npc's. Thats how it works. PVP is not 100% avoided. just less likely. Which makes me laugh that people think this will kill eve but i digress again


The slider is part of the match making system, and that system is modified by the slider settings. Also the slider doesnt work in lawless space so you wont be finding most of us anyway, since we will be in secure space.

The people you will find are very experienced pilots in full HOTAS setups just waiting for someone to wander by. You kknow, SC pirates.




except if what you say is true.. there will be no pirates. Cause if you don;t get loot form poping a ship (which according to the forums you will get something from salvaging a wreck, but that's still being worked out) and it will be a pita to dock/damage a ship enough to steal it.. then you won;t have pirates. you will have people who will just want to blow your ass back to the medical facility. or capture your pod. which they can do instead as well. Working within the mechanic, i'm sure there will be ways to kill HS players. But if not, then other things will happen, otherwise as i said SC sounds like wow in space.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#162 - 2014-02-13 04:50:18 UTC
Out of a few hundred thousand, perhaps millions, you think they will all say no to ransoms because a few guys in the forums said that? Without ransoms and loot drops, there is little point to piracy... except for the fact that the company has outright stated that non-consensual pvp will be allowed and expected in all space and that pirates will be shooting merchants for... wait for it... the cargo.

As I have pointed out ad nauseam over in SC forums, there is a huge misperception that we will all be flying our mains around with no alts whatsoever, so we will fail miserably and hate the game.

A game with no skill training and unlimited alts is a suicide ganking paradise. Sure, we'll have to crunch some numbers, examine mechanics, and pour over the rules, but I have a strong feeling we will be the only ones doing so. The others will just be crying.

Now before someone tries to quote me yet again as trying to "grief" or "harass" the dear SC community, nothing could be further from the truth. We simply want to play in the same sandbox and will just do it better.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#163 - 2014-02-13 05:02:46 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
Out of a few hundred thousand, perhaps millions, you think they will all say no to ransoms because a few guys in the forums said that? Without ransoms and loot drops, there is little point to piracy... except for the fact that the company has outright stated that non-consensual pvp will be allowed and expected in all space and that pirates will be shooting merchants for... wait for it... the cargo.

As I have pointed out ad nauseam over in SC forums, there is a huge misperception that we will all be flying our mains around with no alts whatsoever, so we will fail miserably and hate the game.

A game with no skill training and unlimited alts is a suicide ganking paradise. Sure, we'll have to crunch some numbers, examine mechanics, and pour over the rules, but I have a strong feeling we will be the only ones doing so. The others will just be crying.

Now before someone tries to quote me yet again as trying to "grief" or "harass" the dear SC community, nothing could be further from the truth. We simply want to play in the same sandbox and will just do it better.


exactly, unless there is zero pvp without consent then things will be worked out. 'Pirates' do not exist unless they get money. 'Pirates' do not protect merchants... and if there are no 'pirates' then you would not need to protect merchants.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
Style Cool
Bound by Honor
#164 - 2014-02-13 05:17:24 UTC
Still not getting it are you...heh.

SC is designed to allow piracy and even griefing, but it is also designed to make you not want to do it. Thats the fundamental difference between SC and Eve.

The designers dont want to force people not to PVP so they are going to give you plenty of reasons not to.

We eagerly await your arrival.
Style Cool
Bound by Honor
#165 - 2014-02-13 05:20:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Style Cool
Erotica 1 wrote:
Out of a few hundred thousand, perhaps millions, you think they will all say no to ransoms because a few guys in the forums said that? Without ransoms and loot drops, there is little point to piracy... except for the fact that the company has outright stated that non-consensual pvp will be allowed and expected in all space and that pirates will be shooting merchants for... wait for it... the cargo.

As I have pointed out ad nauseam over in SC forums, there is a huge misperception that we will all be flying our mains around with no alts whatsoever, so we will fail miserably and hate the game.

A game with no skill training and unlimited alts is a suicide ganking paradise. Sure, we'll have to crunch some numbers, examine mechanics, and pour over the rules, but I have a strong feeling we will be the only ones doing so. The others will just be crying.

Now before someone tries to quote me yet again as trying to "grief" or "harass" the dear SC community, nothing could be further from the truth. We simply want to play in the same sandbox and will just do it better.


No you are coming over to scam us every which way possible. Your reputation proceeds you. And now you are in a nice, handy group where you can be watched. Lot of Eve players in SC. We know Monk, we know you, we know whats coming.

The real arrogance is you thinking you can hoodwink us all just by showing up. Well, it aint gonna work that way.

This isnt Catalyst land. There are no cheap throw away boats and there are no boats that arent shielded and well armed.

Merchants in lawless space will be heavily guarded. They kknow whats there. And you wont be able to get near secure space, so... pfft... we is shakin in our little space boots. No really we are. Ok, maybe not.
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#166 - 2014-02-13 05:36:14 UTC
Style Cool wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
Out of a few hundred thousand, perhaps millions, you think they will all say no to ransoms because a few guys in the forums said that? Without ransoms and loot drops, there is little point to piracy... except for the fact that the company has outright stated that non-consensual pvp will be allowed and expected in all space and that pirates will be shooting merchants for... wait for it... the cargo.

As I have pointed out ad nauseam over in SC forums, there is a huge misperception that we will all be flying our mains around with no alts whatsoever, so we will fail miserably and hate the game.

A game with no skill training and unlimited alts is a suicide ganking paradise. Sure, we'll have to crunch some numbers, examine mechanics, and pour over the rules, but I have a strong feeling we will be the only ones doing so. The others will just be crying.

Now before someone tries to quote me yet again as trying to "grief" or "harass" the dear SC community, nothing could be further from the truth. We simply want to play in the same sandbox and will just do it better.


No you are coming over to scam us every which way possible. Your reputation proceeds you. And now you are in a nice, handy group where you can be watched. Lot of Eve players in SC. We know Monk, we know you, we know whats coming.

The real arrogance is you thinking you can hoodwink us all just by showing up. Well, it aint gonna work that way.

This isnt Catalyst land. There are no cheap throw away boats and there are no boats that arent shielded and well armed.

Merchants in lawless space will be heavily guarded. They kknow whats there. And you wont be able to get near secure space, so... pfft... we is shakin in our little space boots. No really we are. Ok, maybe not.


EVE is just a game. So is SC. Each has its own rules and mechanics. I am proud of my reputation in Eve. So is Monk and countless others. We will adapt to this new game's reality and have fun. Do, however, feel free to all tip my bounty. Maybe if you make me the #1 bountied player in Star Citizen on day one and keep me there, I will be terribly miserable all the time and you guys will win.

Big smile

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Style Cool
Bound by Honor
#167 - 2014-02-13 05:45:36 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
Style Cool wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
Out of a few hundred thousand, perhaps millions, you think they will all say no to ransoms because a few guys in the forums said that? Without ransoms and loot drops, there is little point to piracy... except for the fact that the company has outright stated that non-consensual pvp will be allowed and expected in all space and that pirates will be shooting merchants for... wait for it... the cargo.

As I have pointed out ad nauseam over in SC forums, there is a huge misperception that we will all be flying our mains around with no alts whatsoever, so we will fail miserably and hate the game.

A game with no skill training and unlimited alts is a suicide ganking paradise. Sure, we'll have to crunch some numbers, examine mechanics, and pour over the rules, but I have a strong feeling we will be the only ones doing so. The others will just be crying.

Now before someone tries to quote me yet again as trying to "grief" or "harass" the dear SC community, nothing could be further from the truth. We simply want to play in the same sandbox and will just do it better.


No you are coming over to scam us every which way possible. Your reputation proceeds you. And now you are in a nice, handy group where you can be watched. Lot of Eve players in SC. We know Monk, we know you, we know whats coming.

The real arrogance is you thinking you can hoodwink us all just by showing up. Well, it aint gonna work that way.

This isnt Catalyst land. There are no cheap throw away boats and there are no boats that arent shielded and well armed.

Merchants in lawless space will be heavily guarded. They kknow whats there. And you wont be able to get near secure space, so... pfft... we is shakin in our little space boots. No really we are. Ok, maybe not.


EVE is just a game. So is SC. Each has its own rules and mechanics. I am proud of my reputation in Eve. So is Monk and countless others. We will adapt to this new game's reality and have fun. Do, however, feel free to all tip my bounty. Maybe if you make me the #1 bountied player in Star Citizen on day one and keep me there, I will be terribly miserable all the time and you guys will win.

Big smile



Or, we could just laugh at your presumption and naivete as we blow you up again and again. The verse is waiting, and so are we.
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#168 - 2014-02-13 05:52:48 UTC
Or you could be a forum alt created for trolling. Be warned, such things are not allowed in SC. LOL

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#169 - 2014-02-13 05:55:20 UTC  |  Edited by: DaReaper
Style Cool wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
Style Cool wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
Out of a few hundred thousand, perhaps millions, you think they will all say no to ransoms because a few guys in the forums said that? Without ransoms and loot drops, there is little point to piracy... except for the fact that the company has outright stated that non-consensual pvp will be allowed and expected in all space and that pirates will be shooting merchants for... wait for it... the cargo.

As I have pointed out ad nauseam over in SC forums, there is a huge misperception that we will all be flying our mains around with no alts whatsoever, so we will fail miserably and hate the game.

A game with no skill training and unlimited alts is a suicide ganking paradise. Sure, we'll have to crunch some numbers, examine mechanics, and pour over the rules, but I have a strong feeling we will be the only ones doing so. The others will just be crying.

Now before someone tries to quote me yet again as trying to "grief" or "harass" the dear SC community, nothing could be further from the truth. We simply want to play in the same sandbox and will just do it better.


No you are coming over to scam us every which way possible. Your reputation proceeds you. And now you are in a nice, handy group where you can be watched. Lot of Eve players in SC. We know Monk, we know you, we know whats coming.

The real arrogance is you thinking you can hoodwink us all just by showing up. Well, it aint gonna work that way.

This isnt Catalyst land. There are no cheap throw away boats and there are no boats that arent shielded and well armed.

Merchants in lawless space will be heavily guarded. They kknow whats there. And you wont be able to get near secure space, so... pfft... we is shakin in our little space boots. No really we are. Ok, maybe not.


EVE is just a game. So is SC. Each has its own rules and mechanics. I am proud of my reputation in Eve. So is Monk and countless others. We will adapt to this new game's reality and have fun. Do, however, feel free to all tip my bounty. Maybe if you make me the #1 bountied player in Star Citizen on day one and keep me there, I will be terribly miserable all the time and you guys will win.

Big smile



Or, we could just laugh at your presumption and naivete as we blow you up again and again. The verse is waiting, and so are we.


or you could see the game delayed, and delayed and any money you contributed pissed away. *shrugs*

but really you should be happy some eve players want to mess around in it, in the end SC taking out money means it last longer.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
Style Cool
Bound by Honor
#170 - 2014-02-13 05:58:54 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
Style Cool wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
Style Cool wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
Out of a few hundred thousand, perhaps millions, you think they will all say no to ransoms because a few guys in the forums said that? Without ransoms and loot drops, there is little point to piracy... except for the fact that the company has outright stated that non-consensual pvp will be allowed and expected in all space and that pirates will be shooting merchants for... wait for it... the cargo.

As I have pointed out ad nauseam over in SC forums, there is a huge misperception that we will all be flying our mains around with no alts whatsoever, so we will fail miserably and hate the game.

A game with no skill training and unlimited alts is a suicide ganking paradise. Sure, we'll have to crunch some numbers, examine mechanics, and pour over the rules, but I have a strong feeling we will be the only ones doing so. The others will just be crying.

Now before someone tries to quote me yet again as trying to "grief" or "harass" the dear SC community, nothing could be further from the truth. We simply want to play in the same sandbox and will just do it better.


No you are coming over to scam us every which way possible. Your reputation proceeds you. And now you are in a nice, handy group where you can be watched. Lot of Eve players in SC. We know Monk, we know you, we know whats coming.

The real arrogance is you thinking you can hoodwink us all just by showing up. Well, it aint gonna work that way.

This isnt Catalyst land. There are no cheap throw away boats and there are no boats that arent shielded and well armed.

Merchants in lawless space will be heavily guarded. They kknow whats there. And you wont be able to get near secure space, so... pfft... we is shakin in our little space boots. No really we are. Ok, maybe not.


EVE is just a game. So is SC. Each has its own rules and mechanics. I am proud of my reputation in Eve. So is Monk and countless others. We will adapt to this new game's reality and have fun. Do, however, feel free to all tip my bounty. Maybe if you make me the #1 bountied player in Star Citizen on day one and keep me there, I will be terribly miserable all the time and you guys will win.

Big smile



Or, we could just laugh at your presumption and naivete as we blow you up again and again. The verse is waiting, and so are we.


or you could see the game delayed, and delayed and any money you contributed pissed away. *shrugs*

but really you should be happy some eve players want to mess around in it, in the end SC taking out money means it last longer.



All out of pithy insults now I see. ROFL. How typical.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#171 - 2014-02-13 06:01:36 UTC
Style Cool wrote:



All out of pithy insults now I see. ROFL. How typical.


no, no insults, i just think you are delusional on how SC will function. will be fun to try anyway

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
Style Cool
Bound by Honor
#172 - 2014-02-13 06:03:56 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
Style Cool wrote:



All out of pithy insults now I see. ROFL. How typical.


no, no insults, i just think you are delusional on how SC will function. will be fun to try anyway



Well I will see you all in the Jita org then. Perhaps we can swap tea cozys while I am funneling information to select Orgs dedicated to protecting the innocent and cuddly merchants and workers of the 'verse.

Cant wait.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#173 - 2014-02-13 06:14:21 UTC
Style Cool wrote:
Well I will see you all in the Jita org then. Perhaps we can swap tea cozys while I am funneling information to select Orgs dedicated to protecting the innocent and cuddly merchants and workers of the 'verse.


Ah, this made me smile.


Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#174 - 2014-02-13 06:54:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Erotica 1
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Style Cool wrote:
Well I will see you all in the Jita org then. Perhaps we can swap tea cozys while I am funneling information to select Orgs dedicated to protecting the innocent and cuddly merchants and workers of the 'verse.


Ah, this made me smile.


Me too. For many reasons, some ironic.

*edit*

By the way, I got my first SC mail from a guy over there interested in EVE. He played EVE off and on a couple times and was looking for advice if he comes back. I typed up a longass mail and offered him some possible no-strings-attached starting funds (1 plex) if he decides to give it a go. Oh, and he said he wanted to learn to make isk like I do. Big smile

It's actually a really nice mail that I'd love to have posted on some popular EVE online fansite, but I may ask if he's okay with it. After all, I'm building bridges of sorts.


Oh, have to add this... there's gonna be a ship players can fly to haul players around from planet to planet. Yes, you can like literally blow up a ship of pods. haha.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#175 - 2014-02-13 07:08:25 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:

By the way, I got my first SC mail from a guy over there interested in EVE. He played EVE off and on a couple times and was looking for advice if he comes back. I typed up a longass mail and offered him some possible no-strings-attached starting funds (1 plex) if he decides to give it a go. Oh, and he said he wanted to learn to make isk like I do. Big smile

It's actually a really nice mail that I'd love to have posted on some popular EVE online fansite, but I may ask if he's okay with it. After all, I'm building bridges of sorts.


That's fantastic! You just cant beat the draw of a game where the hangars are functional, the space is usable, the fighting is point and click and the mining permits are only 10mil ISK. God Bless Eve Online.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#176 - 2014-02-13 08:20:24 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
Speaking of scams, I asked if scams would be against the rules. A forum moderator had previously told me that scams are against the rules for breaking the "common sense" rule. The rule he cited mentioned nothing about what he was talking about. I read through all the forum rules and eula and found nothing at all that makes scams against the rules

I would not be surprised if you are one of the first people there to actualy look at the EULA Lol . I also like the "common sense" rule guy, maybe he does not understand that an EULA and TOS are actualy there to prevent this exact kind of arbitrary judgement. After all "common sense" is what tells you the sun rotates around the earth, not the perfect tool when you are banhammering your customers.

It seams to me that there is a big junk of the SC community with some white knight ambitions who fail to understand thet there will be nothing to "white knight" if you deny any basis for piracy or ambitious businessmen like us. No one will waste any time with a playstyle if there is no monetary or other gameplay incentive, except the New Order of course, we will most likely attempt to save the game anyway.

(please excuse the spelling, I wrote this from my phone)
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#177 - 2014-02-13 08:35:45 UTC
Indeed, highsec is worth saving in both games. I can't help but wonder if Ledrian is sowing the seeds of discontent among rebels in SC. There seems to be a lot of bot aspirant theorycrafting going on over there. We already have one example in this very thread here of a rebel secret agent announcing she will infiltrate us and steal our schedules. No doubt she will shower us with credits to gain our trust.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Miss Altiana
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#178 - 2014-02-13 08:39:48 UTC
Oh my where to start. a few things EvE players need to understand is that SC will cater to all playstyles, and though some of you are hellbent on trying to create tears, CIG and CR stated if things get out of hand, they will fix it...

-"Chris is very against forcing people not to be able to PVP artificially and thinks we can balance the game in such a way that it’s not an issue. Beyond that which we’ve already said, I’m not sure what else we could add to mollify folks… it’s going to be one of those “trust us and we’ll fix it if we screw up” thing. Ben Lesnic, Community Manager."

The game is PvA, with a focus on PvE

-"Very, very little of the game concept is about PVP, Ben Lesnic, Community Manager."

-"And YES to PvE… I don’t know where the claim that this game is all about PvP is coming from. We’re building the universe as a setting for some serious PvE (and PvR) scenarios… the fact that we ‘allow’ PvP isn’t to say that it’s what we want the game to be about.- Ben Lesnic, Community Manager."

This said, there be zones that is lawless, and pretty much anything goes, shooting pods will most likely still give you rep hits... but beside that, your free to PvP to your hearts content in these lawless zones.


Then for the actual ingame rules, hasent been stated yet, but forums and chat are under a "be good" rule... and violating that may get you banned !, feel free to behave badly ;P
Hesod Adee
Perkone
Caldari State
#179 - 2014-02-13 08:47:35 UTC
Miss Altiana wrote:
Oh my where to start. a few things EvE players need to understand is that SC will cater to all playstyles,

But which, if any, playestyles will it do well ?
Miss Altiana
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#180 - 2014-02-13 08:53:58 UTC
Hesod Adee wrote:
Miss Altiana wrote:
Oh my where to start. a few things EvE players need to understand is that SC will cater to all playstyles,

But which, if any, playestyles will it do well ?


Remains to be seen, as we dont know exactly what precousions and consequence factors will be in the game once it goes live... all we know is, that if any style gets out of hand, they will "fix it"... ie they will be hands on !