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lamenting solo; the reason its dying
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Shelom Severasse
The Disney World Federation
Fraternity.
#1 - 2014-02-10 22:16:05 UTC
is because when it is 1 vs many, usually, the larger force wins. which is fine, and how it ought to be especially when regarding fleet fights. (pretty obvious right)

but what about people who actually like to have a challenge and dont want kills spoon fed to them? well, those are the solo pilots.

i like to fancy myself as a solo pilot, of course i participate in fleets occasionally, but the reason i log on to eve is for 1v1.

but try 1 vs a small gang? ya thats called getting blobbed and is no fun for the victim and is a hollow kill for the people on the KM.

so how do we give incentives to get more 1v1s for the people that actually enjoy them and arent f1 monkeys or kill mail whores?

one idea i had was that only the person who landed the final blow "gets the KM." As in the KM still shows everyone who assisted in the kill, but only the person who landed the final blow receives credit for the kill.

for example, i get on a tengu kill, but dont actually kill it, that tengu kill doesnt help my efficiency. (im not sure i worded that the best but i hope its understandable)

so you no longer get those 3-8 man gangs just looking for easy kills unless they purely enjoy the gank

but i can see a few holes in this and am not sure i would actually like my own idea being implemented

so my real question is, does anyone on the forums have any ideas as how to better solo pvp? or do you think solo is in its proper place?
Tetsuo Tsukaya
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-02-10 22:26:25 UTC
Solo is fine. There are plenty of 1v1s available as well as plenty of ways to fight against a larger gang without dying.
Andre Vauban
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-02-10 22:26:40 UTC
Shelom Severasse wrote:
is because when it is 1 vs many, usually, the larger force wins. which is fine, and how it ought to be especially when regarding fleet fights. (pretty obvious right)

but what about people who actually like to have a challenge and dont want kills spoon fed to them? well, those are the solo pilots.

i like to fancy myself as a solo pilot, of course i participate in fleets occasionally, but the reason i log on to eve is for 1v1.

but try 1 vs a small gang? ya thats called getting blobbed and is no fun for the victim and is a hollow kill for the people on the KM.

so how do we give incentives to get more 1v1s for the people that actually enjoy them and arent f1 monkeys or kill mail whores?

one idea i had was that only the person who landed the final blow "gets the KM." As in the KM still shows everyone who assisted in the kill, but only the person who landed the final blow receives credit for the kill.

for example, i get on a tengu kill, but dont actually kill it, that tengu kill doesnt help my efficiency. (im not sure i worded that the best but i hope its understandable)

so you no longer get those 3-8 man gangs just looking for easy kills unless they purely enjoy the gank

but i can see a few holes in this and am not sure i would actually like my own idea being implemented

so my real question is, does anyone on the forums have any ideas as how to better solo pvp? or do you think solo is in its proper place?


Other than adding ships with active link modules to killmails, solo is just fine in FW lowsec.

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Syrias Bizniz
some random local shitlords
#4 - 2014-02-10 22:42:55 UTC
For steady flow of 1v1, ...

grab a frigate and roam FW space. And pay attention. Loads of it. You're very likely to get 'blobbed', and key to success is killing off your enemy before his backup arrives. If they suck, and you're good, you can chainfarm some kills.

For cruiser and above 1v1, ... well, ... maybe Syndicate?

Another good way of getting 1v1 is ... picking an enemy, and stay with him. Have a talk with him, kind, but not friendly. Exchange over the thrill of pvp, and set him to red. whenever you see him, he will see you, and you both know what's up soon.
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#5 - 2014-02-10 23:12:10 UTC
You specifically mentioned solo is for pilots who "want a challenge". Stop complaining when someone brings you one you can't win. Want challenges? Pick on the big guys. Want to win? Pick on the small guys.
Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
United Caldari Space Command.
#6 - 2014-02-10 23:18:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Deen Wispa
Shelom Severasse wrote:
is because when it is 1 vs many, usually, the larger force wins. which is fine, and how it ought to be especially when regarding fleet fights. (pretty obvious right)

but what about people who actually like to have a challenge and dont want kills spoon fed to them? well, those are the solo pilots.

i like to fancy myself as a solo pilot, of course i participate in fleets occasionally, but the reason i log on to eve is for 1v1.

but try 1 vs a small gang? ya thats called getting blobbed and is no fun for the victim and is a hollow kill for the people on the KM.

so how do we give incentives to get more 1v1s for the people that actually enjoy them and arent f1 monkeys or kill mail whores?

one idea i had was that only the person who landed the final blow "gets the KM." As in the KM still shows everyone who assisted in the kill, but only the person who landed the final blow receives credit for the kill.

for example, i get on a tengu kill, but dont actually kill it, that tengu kill doesnt help my efficiency. (im not sure i worded that the best but i hope its understandable)

so you no longer get those 3-8 man gangs just looking for easy kills unless they purely enjoy the gank

but i can see a few holes in this and am not sure i would actually like my own idea being implemented

so my real question is, does anyone on the forums have any ideas as how to better solo pvp? or do you think solo is in its proper place?


This game would be drastically different if Killboards didn't exist. So unless the KB system is overhauled, you have to accept things as they are. Solo in its current form is fine.

Honestly though, too many people place too much of an emphasis on solo piloting and create this holier than thou approach to solo. Eg; I'm better than you are because I choose to solo while you choose to [insert alternative form of pvp here]

What about other aspects of pvp like micro gang pvp of 2-5 pilots going up against other micro gangs? Or what about fleet pvp? I think it's just as satisfying working in a team environment.


And to be brutally honest, having run into alot of solo pilots, I think some of them are selfish players who lack proper team skills and communication. Not all, but some.

I say this as someone who used to solo back in the day. I don't consider myself a great solo pilot but proficient, at least.


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so how do we give incentives to get more 1v1s for the people that actually enjoy them and arent f1 monkeys or kill mail whores?


I would propose a Buddhist approach then; Rely on your internal self rather than the outside world to quench your satisfaction.

Eg; If you consider yourself a pure soloist at heart, then the only incentive you need is the internal desire to be better at your craft. No reliance on external artificial tools or metrics are needed.

Namaste

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#7 - 2014-02-10 23:52:40 UTC
Loraine Gess wrote:
You specifically mentioned solo is for pilots who "want a challenge". Stop complaining when someone brings you one you can't win. Want challenges? Pick on the big guys. Want to win? Pick on the small guys.


So simple, so much truth. I enjoy solo by switching it up. Eat scrubs, get overconfident, DIAF. Swallow hubris, rince, repeat. Keeping to either side of the spectrum gets boring. I now feel a need to get out of my current region, fighting the same people over and over in systems I know from the back of my hand, is boring too. You get blobbed less if you are not up against the usual suspects.
Joshvader star
Victim Support
Brothers of Tangra
#8 - 2014-02-10 23:54:29 UTC
Loraine Gess wrote:
You specifically mentioned solo is for pilots who "want a challenge". Stop complaining when someone brings you one you can't win. Want challenges? Pick on the big guys. Want to win? Pick on the small guys.



Epic troll. Very helpful.. not..
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#9 - 2014-02-11 00:25:46 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
Shelom Severasse wrote:

so how do we give incentives to get more 1v1s for the people that actually enjoy them and arent f1 monkeys or kill mail whores?
(Not directed at you personally) Quit flying OP solo boats like Hawks and Sentinels and then whine about "solo is dead". Instead, fly something the other guy thinks he can beat and you'll get more solo fights.
Vyktor Abyss
Abyss Research
#10 - 2014-02-11 01:00:41 UTC
I've been soloing for years.

It is not dying as people will always choose to fly solo for the fun and thrill of victory no matter how rare...

There have been several changes by CCP that make solo harder - such as increasing hitpoints over the years to favour tank over gank - which often means enemy support can get there and outnumber you.

I'd argue that people use 'bait' a lot more nowadays too to initiate fights rather than actually go roaming to search for targets.
It is a fairly lazy and low risk way to initiate, which often catches out solo pvpers, but it works and allows people to mitigate costs knowing they are likely to lose the bait but not the more expensive stuff.

There are plenty of solo pvpers out there though, unfortunately you're normally forced to do it (if you want to be successful) in some kitey nanofag ship like a Navy Omen (video links easily found). But CCP are balancing this game more along the lines of group fun not solo fun - so the days of the WTFsoloDeeps machines like the old 5 Ogre II Myrm, The Fagabond and Nos Domi are long gone.

If you want to win at solo you need to take a much more holistic view. The real fun is just managing to kill a bit before you die horribly.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#11 - 2014-02-11 01:49:58 UTC
I agree with the OP.

This is why my corp runs its Solo Fleets.



Big smile

https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#12 - 2014-02-11 03:07:26 UTC
Joshvader star wrote:
Loraine Gess wrote:
You specifically mentioned solo is for pilots who "want a challenge". Stop complaining when someone brings you one you can't win. Want challenges? Pick on the big guys. Want to win? Pick on the small guys.



Epic troll. Very helpful.. not..




War is not a manhood issue. War is not a sporting event where two teams come to the field under pre-arranged terms. It is not your duty to wave your cause's flag bravely and loudly. War is about inflicting damage upon a rival. The damage may be economic, morale-based, or you might bump them into ******* oblivion. You want to "solo"? Die in the fire you deserve. I will always opt to bring superior numbers where possible, I will always opt to disadvantage you in every way possible, I will always strive to gain the biggest advantage from my actions. ECM is "unfair"? Tough ****, enjoy being beaten into submission while you're helpless. My gang is too big? Wah, wah, I motivated a dozen pilots to fly under me, and your ridiculous self-posturing does nothing for your utility.



The only reason the "solo" mentality still exists in any form in EVE is because it allows the trumpet bearer to possibly come to terms under a favorable engagement circumstance - that is, denying the enemy reinforcements.
djentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#13 - 2014-02-11 03:37:56 UTC
OP, it's called a "Duel."

It's right there in the right click menu.

You don't even have to leave Carebear land for it.

Get so tired of people in low/null crying because they got caught and spanked by a superior force. Smart players tend to band together and pick fights that result in victory - versus some weird code of what is "fair" or not.

This is not a gentlemen's pistol dual at 20meters. This is Eve.
djentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#14 - 2014-02-11 03:43:05 UTC
Loraine Gess wrote:
ECM is "unfair"? Tough ****, enjoy being beaten into submission while you're helpless. My gang is too big? Wah, wah, I motivated a dozen pilots to fly under me, and your ridiculous self-posturing does nothing for your utility.


THIS. So well said.

This character is two months old, and I already have a list of "pro" players (very active killboards, over 5 years old) who have cried about the fact that I jammed them while others reduced them to dust is somehow "unfair."

All of this from a T1 Griffin. With about 1,000 EHP. If you are unable to counter a single ship that can generally be alpha killed by anything - and then cry that things are "unfair" - you just fail at Eve.

The tears from "pro" PVP players who allow themselves to be caught by a superior force and then whine about how if it was a "1v1" fight they would have won - the most epic lulz in all of Eve. Well, it was not a 1vs1 fight, you got spanked, now type "gf" into local and plot some revenge.
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#15 - 2014-02-11 03:54:30 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:
I agree with the OP.

This is why my corp runs its Solo Fleets.



Big smile


This is true. That's why my solo kills have dropped of recently. These gits keep whoring onto my solo kills!

On a more serious note. Solo is not dead and in reality is not dieing either. The 1v1's the op is talking about are still very much a part of low sec life. 2/3 of my kills are solo and probably a similar umber of my deaths as well.

1v1 are out there, you just need to look for them.

And don't forget the 1v many. These can rack up some amazing moments in eve when you get to separate some of a blob then kill them in front of their mates! Twisted

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#16 - 2014-02-11 04:06:27 UTC
Taoist Dragon wrote:
IbanezLaney wrote:
I agree with the OP.

This is why my corp runs its Solo Fleets.



Big smile


This is true. That's why my solo kills have dropped of recently. These gits keep whoring onto my solo kills!

On a more serious note. Solo is not dead and in reality is not dieing either. The 1v1's the op is talking about are still very much a part of low sec life. 2/3 of my kills are solo and probably a similar umber of my deaths as well.

1v1 are out there, you just need to look for them.

And don't forget the 1v many. These can rack up some amazing moments in eve when you get to separate some of a blob then kill them in front of their mates! Twisted



Hey man we are all solo when we whore on your solo kills. Its all legit.

https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney
Shadow Adanza
Gold Crest Salvage
#17 - 2014-02-11 04:07:16 UTC
LolLol

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#18 - 2014-02-11 04:43:38 UTC
i solo a lot. And if someone is asking me for a 1vs1 its very likely that i will decline. Why? Because eve is not arena warfare - not for me at least. I don't like the idea to direct counters to certain fits since the outcome is usually predefined. Being in open space where the situation can change any time makes it more interesting and is probably the primary reason why i play eve and not a game with matchmaking and instances.

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
Dan Carter Murray
#19 - 2014-02-11 07:17:21 UTC
Deen Wispa wrote:
This game would be drastically different if Killboards didn't exist. So unless the KB system is overhauled, you have to accept things as they are. Solo in its current form is fine.


This.

They should get rid of killboards imo.

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Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#20 - 2014-02-11 13:05:39 UTC
Dan Carter Murray wrote:
Deen Wispa wrote:
This game would be drastically different if Killboards didn't exist. So unless the KB system is overhauled, you have to accept things as they are. Solo in its current form is fine.


This.

They should get rid of killboards imo.


If you die constantly to same guys you do not engage those anymore, no matter if there is kill boards or not.
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