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Is Scamming Killing The Future Of Eve?
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Elise DarkStar
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#81 - 2011-11-11 05:16:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Elise DarkStar
Shawn Pierce wrote:
No, it's the general trend of where the real world is going, at least in the US...


I do agree. So are you suggesting that the nature of Eve is still bold and obvious, and these people are just willfully ignorant?

My suggestion is that perhaps CCP is failing to inform people that they are in fact playing chess when they think they are playing checkers.

Edit: I should add that I make a significant effort to not just fall back on "people are stupid", often to the point of a fault. That very well could be the answer and I am once again in denial.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#82 - 2011-11-11 05:18:28 UTC
Is scamming the future of EVE? Well if you send me 500 million ISK, I will let you know!
Dyner
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#83 - 2011-11-11 06:21:03 UTC
Elise DarkStar wrote:
Shawn Pierce wrote:
No, it's the general trend of where the real world is going, at least in the US...


I do agree. So are you suggesting that the nature of Eve is still bold and obvious, and these people are just willfully ignorant?

My suggestion is that perhaps CCP is failing to inform people that they are in fact playing chess when they think they are playing checkers.

Edit: I should add that I make a significant effort to not just fall back on "people are stupid", often to the point of a fault. That very well could be the answer and I am once again in denial.


Never heard of "Dumbing Down of America"? Pretty sure it's also happening in other countries. Add to that, that everyone born that currently holds the age of at least 13 has been brought up to believe they are special and unique; worse IMPORTANT.

So, when someone comes along and dupes you, you end up feeling very....stupid. And immediately fall back on your 'real world' teaching that states "if you are shown to be stupid; use the law". Sadly, there is no law about scamming in EVE (yet). Therefore, you are left with just being stupid.

Attention those who are scammed:

YOU ARE AN IDIOT. PERIOD.

Now, get the **** off my lawn.
Shawn Pierce
Live For This
#84 - 2011-11-11 10:00:52 UTC
Elise DarkStar wrote:
Shawn Pierce wrote:
No, it's the general trend of where the real world is going, at least in the US...


I do agree. So are you suggesting that the nature of Eve is still bold and obvious, and these people are just willfully ignorant?

My suggestion is that perhaps CCP is failing to inform people that they are in fact playing chess when they think they are playing checkers.

Edit: I should add that I make a significant effort to not just fall back on "people are stupid", often to the point of a fault. That very well could be the answer and I am once again in denial.

Anyone who has read a review of EVE Online (I for one read the reviews of a game before I play it) should know that nothing is safe in the game.

Even the videos that CCP puts out illustrate that not all is good...

You warp in on a miner being attacked in a belt. You can:
A. Defend the miner from the dastardly criminals and be the hero you always wanted to be.
B. Be one of the dastardly criminals (you know you wanna!) and join in the attack.
C. Do nothing, and just watch the action.

In other words ... willful ignorance? Youbetcherass.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#85 - 2011-11-11 10:08:33 UTC
Big Bad Mofo wrote:
Is Scamming Killing The Future Of Eve?
No.
Opertone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#86 - 2011-11-11 10:31:15 UTC
scamming is not good, does not help MMOs, people who defend scamming are hungry forum trolls - that's all.

Scamming has gain such high scale in EVE that it kills fun and the gameplay. You expect asshattory on every corner, backstab and gank in every situation.

You may join a new corp and they destroy your assets, you engage in 0.0 combat only to find that enemy has spies, makes lag and uses crappy cheats/metagaming methods to win it.

Challenge is fine, but scamming is foul. I've played more online games (hours) than you may think, yet in every game you get cheating, whoring and bullying... No matter what you do, they want to ruin your day. You get sad or frustrated, it doesn't enhance the gaming experience.

Unfair play, scamming and cheating ruins eve for me, and I grow more certain that asshatory continues to kill the game that I play.

This post sums up why the 'best' work with DCM inc.

WARP DRIVE makes eve boring

really - add warping align time 300% on gun aggression and eve becomes great again
MaiLina KaTar
Katar Corp
#87 - 2011-11-11 10:32:38 UTC  |  Edited by: MaiLina KaTar
Elise DarkStar wrote:
I will say that over the past month I have noticed a, no hyperbole, shocking amount of people that manage to play this game for a substantial period without understanding some of its defining features like scamming...

It's not that shocking, actually. Eve's target audience isn't solely comprised of paranoid, angry nerds. You do get the occasional normal person, odd as it may seem. They don't really expect that sort of stuff from the get go, and yeah, Eve doesn't do much to change that either.
Opertone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#88 - 2011-11-11 10:37:31 UTC
Maxpie wrote:
Back in the day reputation meant something. Scamming was an interesting aspect of the game. Now, with the proliferation of alts you have every Tom, **** and Harry endlessly doing the same tired old scams. It's not surprising that the game looks like a worthless cesspool to many prospective new players. Make no mistake about it, that is Eve's reputation. I try to explain that there's so much more to the game, but new players just see the garbage and decide the game isn't their cup of tea.


Some of it is true. every Tom and Harry try to ruin your day, the scams are old. Eve has reputation of maximum scamming, agreed.

Too much scamming make it boring, vets have some immunity to scams, but the whole place turns into trash.

This post sums up why the 'best' work with DCM inc.

WARP DRIVE makes eve boring

really - add warping align time 300% on gun aggression and eve becomes great again
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#89 - 2011-11-11 10:45:46 UTC
What the hell is up with all of these whine topics/posts from spineless bears who want to change everything that makes eve special?
Lyris Nairn
Perkone
Caldari State
#90 - 2011-11-11 11:22:11 UTC
Let's all be civil guys.

Sky Captain of Your Heart

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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#91 - 2011-11-11 11:25:13 UTC
When the first ponzi schemes collapsed in the Summer of 2003, around the time that people were selling shuttles for 10M ISK each, people asked if scamming was killing the future of Eve.

It wasn't then, and it isn't now.

Do I approve of scamming? No. Do I think that scamming should be banned? No.

Because when you remove the opportunity to be dishonest, you also remove the opportunity to be honest.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Diosas
Doomheim
#92 - 2011-11-11 12:04:49 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
What the hell is up with all of these whine topics/posts from spineless bears who want to change everything that makes eve special?


Theres always one, who thinks having a discussion is a whine...Roll
Maxpie
MUSE LLP
#93 - 2011-11-11 12:17:36 UTC
Dyner wrote:
Maxpie wrote:
Back in the day reputation meant something. Scamming was an interesting aspect of the game. Now, with the proliferation of alts you have every Tom, **** and Harry endlessly doing the same tired old scams. It's not surprising that the game looks like a worthless cesspool to many prospective new players. Make no mistake about it, that is Eve's reputation. I try to explain that there's so much more to the game, but new players just see the garbage and decide the game isn't their cup of tea.



Can only scam the willing.


You mis-understand what I'm saying. People aren't willing to even play Eve. It is viewed as a griefer game where a new player can never compete with a veteran. I've tried to get friends to play, but all they see are tons of scams, cans labeled 'free stuff' etc., and they decide they don't like this game before they get to see the other side of it. As a veteran player, I love to see a good scam. Unfortunately, those are few and far between. The vast majority are lazy spam type scams. Basically people hoping to catch someone who mis-read a contract or are new to the game. Sorry, I just don't find that to be compelling gameplay. It's just annoying graffiti to me.

No good deed goes unpunished
BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#94 - 2011-11-11 15:19:53 UTC
Two months ago, a guy I barely knew gave me a Billion ISK and a fully fit Tengu. He was packing it in simply for the reason CCP allows scamming. I told him he should simply stay but he wasn't interested anymore... SadSadSad
MaiLina KaTar
Katar Corp
#95 - 2011-11-11 15:22:55 UTC
BrundleMeth wrote:
Two months ago, a guy I barely knew gave me a Billion ISK and a fully fit Tengu. He was packing it in simply for the reason CCP allows scamming. I told him he should simply stay but he wasn't interested anymore... SadSadSad

Does he enjoy music by Evanescence or Tokio Hotel by any chance?
Mohr Cowbell
KarmaFleet University
#96 - 2011-11-12 02:53:37 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
What the hell is up with all of these whine topics/posts from spineless bears who want to change everything that makes eve special?


For your information, I am a cougar. A cougar that likes pancakes.