EVE General Discussion

Just be interesting to know what people think about this. Yes scamming has been a part of eve, but is this one reason why its not reached or will never reach its potential?

See back years when CCP thought we want to create a mean, dark game where you need to have your wits about you etc, was probably a great concept, especially from a MMO Space persective, as there wasnt anything like EVE back then.
However things have changed dramatically in 8 years and how people want to play games and what they expect. Games have changed, very rarely you see point and click games or those adventure games etc all a big thing in the past but not really anymore. Most people want to pick up a game, play it, turn off without any real consequence. Eve can put you through turmoil, you can spend many days, hours months building something, only for it to be taken away in an instant.

For example that newbiw whose took months, mining, mission and ratting to get that shiny new raven (bearing in mind he still cant really fly it) and along come some high sec gankers and poof its gone all the hard work gone. Back to square one. Or lets say for the example of scamming. People may have spent months getting the isk, or even paid out for plex in order to buy the nice mothership, quite expensive moneywise, perhaps someones savings, or months wages maybe. and then instantly gone, because someone scammed them and there was nothing they could do..
A new player joins people like say goons, and instantly gets scammed.
Do you think in this day and age thats what people want? Do you think that people will just unsub when stuff like this happens? Of course they would....or a lot will, especially when CCP allows it, and when really there isnt any mechanics to truly protect anyone. People dont want to play a game like that anymore, and to be honest they dont have to, because there as sooo many games out there they can go elsewhere, the only real losers in the end is CCP, because as much as they try boast they have subs going up, well this is either because currently players get more accounts, as you need to have more than 1 really to play this game effectively, 2) becuase yes there will be many trial accounts, and then people dont actually sub, and yes some genuine ones, however the concurrent users have dropped quite a bit.

Is it time EVE changed a little in order to survive and bring in and keep new players interested? Being instantly scammed, or being instantly high sec ganked by bitter vets is pretty much going to kill the game in the end. All the vets will eventually leave, and what will that leave? no one?

Do we need to stop scamming? or at least have measures in place to protect players to some extent?

Be interesting to see what people think on this subject, please dont come out with, scamming is part of eve, we know that, but is it that, in these times that will cause eve to fail in end and does it need changing?

Not in any mechanical way, no.

A bit of education might be in order though, so people realise what kind of game they have chosen to play, and so they can take the required precautions.

or...

EVE will never be a mainstream lowest common denominator MMO like WOW.

It still brings in very good money for CCP each month (especially if they don't try to overreach themselves with new games and unrealistic new ideas)

If you make everything easy everywhere for everyone you just end up with bland shallow rubbish.

EVE should stay like it is (well personally I would change it so there wasn't such a distinction between PvE and PvP so you had less of a player divide (oh and make PvE more like PvP regarding ship fits and the AIs BTW not make PvP easier)*) and fill its own niche

So - yes get rid of scamming and gankers and the goons and whatever but you will be left, to borrow a cliche, with hello kitty in space






* in fact the whole 'environment' part of Eve strikes me as far too basic and easy - the Environment as regards the place you get your isk form - for null, low and high should be more dynamic, changing over time ( so people don't fall in ruts or sit on free isk sources ) and require more thought)

ha ha yes - the noob tutorials should pull a fast one on you - get you ganked or something (and then make it better so you don't just get instant unsubscribes but it would set the tone)

It would, but it'd be like STO or AoC; instanced...with maybe 1k per instance, but a Global Chat......oh what fun that would be....

"which instance are you in again?"

Actually, it's not as strange an idea as it may sound. Planetside — that other PvP MMO that was released around the same time as EVE — did something very similar in its tutorial to teach new players about what to expect and how to handle those situations.

CCP have already introduced tutorials that gank the new player, and more of that could certainly be needed.

Agreed

Scamming should stay it is actually amusing

I think scamming is less destructive than ganking as far as keeping people is concerned.


Ganking for the sake of ganking (just for kicks) that is, not the organised ganking of a freighter.

Anybody spending real money for supercaps deserves to be scammed.

If they can afford to spend £300 on a few pixels then the chances are they can afford to lose it too, afterall they've already thrown £300 away on pixels that they don't even own.