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How easy can the average miner keep a belt below profitability?

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Flashy 'Red' Bee
Doomheim
#61 - 2014-02-12 18:18:46 UTC
Chad Ramsbottom wrote:
It's small. Could you just tell us what it is you're trying to calculate so we can skip all this beating around the bush? Are you asking what it would take to keep a belt indefinitely empty?
Yeah but how small? I'm now skilling up a miner to find out, to stop bothering you people. I simply couldn't start earlier and thought that getting information can only help.

Keeping belts empty indefinitely isn't necessary.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#62 - 2014-02-12 19:17:19 UTC
Flashy 'Red' Bee wrote:
Chad Ramsbottom wrote:
It's small. Could you just tell us what it is you're trying to calculate so we can skip all this beating around the bush? Are you asking what it would take to keep a belt indefinitely empty?
Yeah but how small? I'm now skilling up a miner to find out, to stop bothering you people. I simply couldn't start earlier and thought that getting information can only help.

Keeping belts empty indefinitely isn't necessary.

ok, I never had a reason to really find out.. because even amoung rocks of the same type the sizes vary.. but you can check the radius changes on the rocks as they spawn in the info or the volume if you scan them.. I will for the next 4 days run a test on the same rocks to see if I can shrink them to their smallest size and report. I will be starting on a well mined out belt. Is there an ore you are interested in? ...because sizes vary depending on ore type as well. It will be harder to report on the maximum size without guarding a rock around the clock; someone might siphon some of the material away with out your knowledge. I suspect that there is a percentile they shrink across the board after being popped.

Anyway, I'm testing on 4 standard veldspar rocks and one dense v. rock right now.. we'll see what they do over the next 4 days.

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Flashy 'Red' Bee
Doomheim
#63 - 2014-02-12 19:33:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Flashy 'Red' Bee
Barbara Nichole wrote:
Flashy 'Red' Bee wrote:
Chad Ramsbottom wrote:
It's small. Could you just tell us what it is you're trying to calculate so we can skip all this beating around the bush? Are you asking what it would take to keep a belt indefinitely empty?
Yeah but how small? I'm now skilling up a miner to find out, to stop bothering you people. I simply couldn't start earlier and thought that getting information can only help.

Keeping belts empty indefinitely isn't necessary.

ok, I never had a reason to really find out.. because even amoung rocks of the same type the sizes vary.. but you can check the radius changes on the rocks as they spawn in the info or the volume if you scan them.. I will for the next 4 days run a test on the same rocks to see if I can shrink them to their smallest size and report. I will be starting on a well mined out belt. Is there an ore you are interested in? ...because sizes vary depending on ore type as well. It will be harder to report on the maximum size without guarding a rock around the clock; someone might siphon some of the material away with out your knowledge. I suspect that there is a percentile they shrink across the board after being popped.

Anyway, I'm testing on 4 standard veldspar rocks and one dense v. rock right now.. we'll see what they do over the next 4 days.
Wow, that's awesome ! Thanks for doing that! :D

Yeah the ore type ... good question. I guess going for veld is as good as any other. I'm wondering if the spawn mechanics get influenced by type or density? Aka that +5 or +10 spawn more/less? Good that you check that too! :D

Edit: If sizes vary depending on the type, wouldn't it make sense to go for the type with the smallest rocks?
Flashy 'Red' Bee
Doomheim
#64 - 2014-02-12 20:14:03 UTC
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#65 - 2014-02-12 21:35:15 UTC
Flashy 'Red' Bee wrote:
Chad Ramsbottom wrote:
It's small. Could you just tell us what it is you're trying to calculate so we can skip all this beating around the bush? Are you asking what it would take to keep a belt indefinitely empty?
Yeah but how small? I'm now skilling up a miner to find out, to stop bothering you people. I simply couldn't start earlier and thought that getting information can only help.

Keeping belts empty indefinitely isn't necessary.


Isn't necessary for what?

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Flashy 'Red' Bee
Doomheim
#66 - 2014-02-12 22:12:02 UTC
Yay I can fly a venture! Beats a merlin for mining! XD
Flashy 'Red' Bee
Doomheim
#67 - 2014-02-12 23:42:55 UTC
One can turn off a mining laser any time and it doesn't cycle to it's end, meaning one can turn it off if an asteroid gets depleted in midst of a cycle AND can switch to a new asteroid instantly! ^^
Your Dad Naked
Doomheim
#68 - 2014-02-13 12:52:16 UTC
If you're asking how long it would take to reduce each and every piece of ore to micro amounts - without despawning them altogether - then the most likely answer is no one knows.

Who would ever test such a thing?

Belt sizes vary anyways as do amounts.
Flashy 'Red' Bee
Doomheim
#69 - 2014-02-13 14:27:35 UTC
Your Dad Naked wrote:
If you're asking how long it would take to reduce each and every piece of ore to micro amounts - without despawning them altogether - then the most likely answer is no one knows.

Who would ever test such a thing?

Belt sizes vary anyways as do amounts.
I'm at it already. Started in a venture. Some poster above too. Results are really interesting. :D Gonna have a mining OP today with a few people..... ;)
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#70 - 2014-02-13 15:04:47 UTC
Flashy 'Red' Bee wrote:
Your Dad Naked wrote:
If you're asking how long it would take to reduce each and every piece of ore to micro amounts - without despawning them altogether - then the most likely answer is no one knows.

Who would ever test such a thing?

Belt sizes vary anyways as do amounts.
I'm at it already. Started in a venture. Some poster above too. Results are really interesting. :D Gonna have a mining OP today with a few people..... ;)


Where will it be? I might join in.

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Flashy 'Red' Bee
Doomheim
#71 - 2014-02-13 15:31:18 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Flashy 'Red' Bee wrote:
Your Dad Naked wrote:
If you're asking how long it would take to reduce each and every piece of ore to micro amounts - without despawning them altogether - then the most likely answer is no one knows.

Who would ever test such a thing?

Belt sizes vary anyways as do amounts.
I'm at it already. Started in a venture. Some poster above too. Results are really interesting. :D Gonna have a mining OP today with a few people..... ;)


Where will it be? I might join in.
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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#72 - 2014-02-13 15:32:52 UTC
The real question seems to be, what can we do so that no extra ore spawns after downtime?

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Flashy 'Red' Bee
Doomheim
#73 - 2014-02-13 15:35:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Flashy 'Red' Bee
Erotica 1 wrote:
The real question seems to be, what can we do so that no extra ore spawns after downtime?
There's no mechanic out there useable to prevent that. As there's not enough experimental data out there yet, we'll gather our own.

Edit: And there's a lot of meta data that needs to be gathered and analyzed too. Mining can be fun. Who would have thought. XD
Makie Tachibana
Knights in White Satin
#74 - 2014-02-13 18:43:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Makie Tachibana
I also think OP is mistaken in thinking that a set amount of m3 is regenerated during a downtime. In my experience, a belt is replaced during downtime. I go out right after, and the same asteroids are in the same place, day after day. They may vary in their volume, but I think that's RNG and not a factor of how much was left of them from the day before.
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#75 - 2014-02-13 20:22:30 UTC
Flashy 'Red' Bee wrote:


Clarification seems needed. By 'profitability' I am talking about the fact that people will move to belts with bigger asteroids, when close ones only have micro asteroids not needing even one mining cycle until depletion. Maybe two?



This does not affect me. I have places I like to mine, and I mine until the rocks are gone. It annoys me when people leave partial rocks lying around, so I finish them off. I only move to a new belt after I mine all of the things.
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#76 - 2014-02-13 20:31:55 UTC
Notorious Fellon wrote:



This sounds about right. Wild, ballpark averages though. A solo Hulk would take quite a lot longer if running the ore to station each fill-up. Hulk is not the best solo ship.


There is always jet can mining and an industrial...
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#77 - 2014-02-13 21:00:48 UTC
gank them like everyone else does.

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Flashy 'Red' Bee
Doomheim
#78 - 2014-02-14 18:05:08 UTC
Sooo yesterday we cleaned a belt. Well ... half. The other half got mined by other people, besides two little rocks of scordite.

Now I log in and check ... and there are lots of small roids and most above 20k. No idea how it started after DT, as I sadly wasn't able to log in ... but that's really a lot of m³ from a previously empty belt.

This should be nerfed.
Flashy 'Red' Bee
Doomheim
#79 - 2014-02-15 11:31:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Flashy 'Red' Bee
After completely wiping the belt yesterday, it's back today even more massive than the last time ... :(

Quite a few rocks even above 70k ...