Wormholes

This is a terrible idea. Can it be done? Yes probably with enough bling on the tengus. But you will make more money from running the sites in a c3 due to the extra time a c4 will take.

1 Tengu, semi-blinked can run it.
2 Tengus can run it T2/Meta4 without any issues at all.

Well, for now we live in a C3 NS static. Me and one of my friend can fully fit a drake T2 and we can duo this without problem. Thing is that 3 other friends joined us and they can all fly a drake too with T1 fit and some T2. Since we are getting bigger, sometimes we have nothing to do in our wormhole so that's why we were considering moving into a C4 with C3 static in few weeks if doable.

We are leaning tengu cause it is a nice relativly "cheap" and versatile ship to use in a wormhole but I was wandering is it's still usable to duo a C4 with some drakes or we should aim for another ship instead?

I would recommend that if you do move to the C4, use the C3 static sites for running and leave the C4 sites till you guys are more skilled and have a few more guys. I currently live in a c4 with static c3 with my corp and I love it. Make sure you guys all have a BS or 1 person has an orca to roll the static though if you empty it before its lifetime ends.

Yea cause if they have pilots flying mostly T2 fitted drakes at the moment so they are gonna be able to hop in marauders in no time

It only takes a few weeks to train. Surely thats not too much to ask :D

Yeah we would like to have marauders and we will one day, but it's really a long term plan just to fly it and fitting those beasts

So it would be better to go for 2 or 3 dominix rather than tengus?

C4 sites typically return slightly less ISK/hour -- but usually much more ISK/session -- than C3 sites due to range and Sleeper tank. A C4 with a static C3 certainly makes things easier, as mentioned above. The below Tengu fit can handle C3 and C4 pretty easily, with very modest cost. Safe numbers are 2+ Tengus for C3 anomalies, 3+ for C3 data/relic and C4 anomalies, 4+ for C4 data/relic. The volley damage in a C4 data/relic can be very impressive against the tank, and the range can be extreme (>100km) if you don't know your spawn locations and have a knowledgeable anchor.

Fit shamelessly stolen from our corporate recommended fittings for the Tengu. Works great, time-tested and easy to fit even with less-than-perfect skills; if the fit doesn't fit your skills, skill up a bit as it really is a minimum and only gets better from there!

[Tengu, IOS C4 Tengu]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II

Cap Recharger II
EM Ward Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II

Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Heavy Missile Launcher II
Large S95a Remote Shield Booster

Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I
Medium Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Tengu Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers


A stock Drake really sucks for C4 due to range problems, but the Navy Drake hangs in there with a RR Tengu ball much better. Just treat it as "extra" DPS and remote rep... it's not doing an awful lot for you compared to a Tengu as fit above. Half the DPS, half the remote rep, but it's a good learning step while training into the Tengu. Speaking from experience, its user is going to feel a bit like they are along for the ride. You'll also want the Drake to be the anchor, or else it will tend to get left behind by the slightly-faster Tengus. The fit below assumes fairly modest skills in someone new to wormholes. It lets them contribute, but Tengu training should be at the top of the radar for far greater effectiveness.

[Drake Navy Issue, C4 RR]

Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
Large Shield Extender II

'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Pithum A-Type Medium Remote Shield Booster

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I


EDIT: I realized I never answered the original question. We've killed several Tengus fit similarly to the below. The Crystal implants can be low-grade to save some ISK, and this fit is capable of soloing C4 data & relic sites with relative ease.

[Tengu, C4 Blingu]

Damage Control II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pith B-Type EM Ward Field
Pith X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


Crystal Alpha
Crystal Beta
Crystal Gamma
Crystal Delta
Crystal Epsilon
Crystal Omega

Second edit: Removed the name of the most recent guy we killed with a fit like this...

You're welcome. I figured it would be worth it to provide some common, proven fits to you, because so many people just provide general advice and expect you to pyfa/eft it up yourself. There's a substantial learning curve to making the most of your own fits!

One of our corporations does RR in a cataclysmic C2; the effects are pronounced enough even there that the beneficial effect on capacitor and RR is very noticeable, and really makes training the tengu-ball or drake-ball appraoch a lot easier. Once you get to C3 and above, the cataclysmic effect is so pronounced that local tank is hella nerfed and RR is very overpowered.

A C4 Cataclysmic boosts the pair local tank from the 900-ish range to the 1200-ish range. Still not enough to tackle the C4 data & relic sites with the fit above, but enough for every anomaly as long as you don't botch your triggers. Be careful with the second wave of the "Sleeper Information Sanctum", that one is a butt-kicker. Most people want to dispatch the webbing/scramming/neuting battleship first, but don't! It's the trigger.

If you upgrade the remote rep to T2, spring for deadspace invulns instead of T2, and put in a damage control to replace a BCU, you can get the tank up to marginally-acceptable levels for the relic & data sites with just a pair of Tengus. It won't be easy, and you'll probably need to warp out if aggro goes too long on either one of you, but it's do-able.

An afterburner would make a big difference in tank needs until/unless you're webbed, but it's really challenging to do remote rep without dedicated Logistics if people use prop mods.